Re: How religion is destroying America

2006-10-02 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:40 PM Monday 10/2/2006, William T Goodall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006, at 11:09PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 22:21, William T Goodall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006, at 10:08PM, Deborah Harrell wrote: William. 1. Stop lumping oranges and offal together; it makes one suspect that you h

RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-10-02 Thread Ritu
Deborah Harrell wrote: > > [Regarding the BJP:] > > Really nasty people, propagating the most hateful of > > ideas under the > > guise of patriotism and national security. Its > > sister organisations, the > > RSS and the VHP, are equally bad. > > Golly, no similarities here in the US... *g*

Re: How religion is destroying America

2006-10-02 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 2, 2006, at 3:40 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006, at 11:09PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 22:21, William T Goodall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006, at 10:08PM, Deborah Harrell wrote: William. 1. Stop lumping oranges and offal together; it makes one suspect that you have

Re: Collapse Chapter 4 - Chaco Canyon

2006-10-02 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 10/2/2006 5:45:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chaco Canyon have all shared the feature of being > settled in a > marginal environment. Is a marginal environment a > prerequisite for "collapse"? Chaco may not have been so marginal at the outs

RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-10-02 Thread Ritu
Deborah Harrell wrote: > Except that many of us who listened to > Academy*-trained combat veterans -- instead of > chickenhawk pols -- did _not_ buy into Iraq as an > immediate threat to the US, ever. I know. That is why I said 'massive support' instead of 'unanimous support' or 'overwhelming s

Re: How religion is destroying America

2006-10-02 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:47 PM Monday 10/2/2006, William T Goodall wrote: I read this article recently http://tinyurl.com/eegfk The first paragraph contains the interesting bit which I quote: "According to a 2005 Pew Research Center poll, 70 percent of evangelical Christians believe that living beings have alway

Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-10-02 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 2, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Deborah Harrell wrote: who has no confidence in voting this next election, as Colorado has chosen not to have certifiable machines...no, this is not a joke. Or perhaps it is. Peggy and I took the voting machines out of the equation for good by registering as perman

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-10-02 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 10/1/2006 11:14:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, in medicine (as in some other areas) people are suffering and dying during all those years. Particularly when the "established theory" is "stress" or "IAIYH" as it was with ulcers as well

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/10/2006, at 10:05 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 3 Oct 2006, at 12:54AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 03/10/2006, at 8:08 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Every single contact I've ever had with the Mac community has been fanatically hostile (as opposed to the almost pathological helpfulness o

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Andrew Crystall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice > On 2 Oct 2006 at 18:01, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > >> Visually, Vista is full of surprises. It is

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 3 Oct 2006, at 12:54AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 03/10/2006, at 8:08 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Every single contact I've ever had with the Mac community has been fanatically hostile (as opposed to the almost pathological helpfulness of the Linux community, for example). Really? *Every Si

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/10/2006, at 10:00 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 3 Oct 2006 at 9:54, Charlie Bell wrote: On 03/10/2006, at 8:08 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Every single contact I've ever had with the Mac community has been fanatically hostile (as opposed to the almost pathological helpfulness of the L

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 3 Oct 2006 at 9:54, Charlie Bell wrote: > > On 03/10/2006, at 8:08 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > > Every single contact I've ever had with the Mac community has been > > fanatically hostile (as opposed to the almost pathological > > helpfulness of the Linux community, for example). > > Rea

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/10/2006, at 9:01 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote: Outlook Express is dead. It is replaced by Microsoft Windows Mail and is much more like Outlook than the old Express version. (Matter of fact, let me know how my emails are received by your mail program. I'm interested in knowing if the parsin

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/10/2006, at 8:08 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Every single contact I've ever had with the Mac community has been fanatically hostile (as opposed to the almost pathological helpfulness of the Linux community, for example). Really? *Every Single Contact Ever*? Seems to me you're using hyp

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 3 Oct 2006, at 12:01AM, Robert Seeberger wrote: A really nice addition is the new chess program. OS X has had a bundled chess program for years (GNU Chess). [...] One of the neater doodads seen in Vista is when you mouse-over an item in the taskbar a small window that fully reiterates

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Oct 2006 at 18:01, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Outlook Express is dead. It is replaced by Microsoft Windows Mail and > is much more like Outlook than the old Express version. (Matter of > fact, let me know how my emails are received by your mail program. I'm > interested in knowing if the pa

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Richard Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:33 PM Subject: Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice > Andrew said: > >> To you, maybe. To put it another way, I take a very engineering >> view, >> rather

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Oct 2006, at 11:08PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 21:33, Richard Baker wrote: Andrew said: To you, maybe. To put it another way, I take a very engineering view, rather than a scientific one to technology. Well, that sounds like the sort of attitude that Mac people I kno

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Oct 2006, at 10:56PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 21:29, William T Goodall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006, at 7:16PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 17:57, William T Goodall wrote: Over 25 Windows PCs *every day* are hacked and added to botnets. That's 25 a day

Re: How religion is destroying America

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Oct 2006, at 11:09PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 22:21, William T Goodall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006, at 10:08PM, Deborah Harrell wrote: William. 1. Stop lumping oranges and offal together; it makes one suspect that you have no sense of smell. Genius is seeing the similarit

Re: How religion is destroying America

2006-10-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Oct 2006 at 22:21, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 2 Oct 2006, at 10:08PM, Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > > > William. > > 1. Stop lumping oranges and offal together; it makes > > one suspect that you have no sense of smell. > > > > Genius is seeing the similarities in things that other peop

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Oct 2006 at 21:33, Richard Baker wrote: > Andrew said: > > > To you, maybe. To put it another way, I take a very engineering view, > > rather than a scientific one to technology. > > Well, that sounds like the sort of attitude that Mac people I know > take. And in my experience, I do not

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Oct 2006 at 21:29, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 2 Oct 2006, at 7:16PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > On 2 Oct 2006 at 17:57, William T Goodall wrote: > > > >> Over 25 Windows PCs *every day* are hacked and added to botnets. > >> That's 25 a day more than OS X Macs. > > > > Your fi

Re: Collapse Chapter 4 - Chaco Canyon

2006-10-02 Thread Deborah Harrell
Continuing my response, but omitting duplicate points already made by others: > jdiebremse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In order to understand the "collapse" of Chaco > Canyon it is > important to also understand the role that Chaco > Canyon had in > Ancestral Puebloan culture before its abando

Re: How religion is destroying America

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Oct 2006, at 10:08PM, Deborah Harrell wrote: William. 1. Stop lumping oranges and offal together; it makes one suspect that you have no sense of smell. Genius is seeing the similarities in things that other people think are unrelated :-) Stinky Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMA

Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-10-02 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 03/10/2006, at 6:49 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote: > > Debbi > > who has no confidence in voting this next > election, as > > Colorado has chosen not to have certifiable > > machines...no, this is not a joke. Or perhaps it > is. > > Request an absentee

Re: How religion is destroying America

2006-10-02 Thread Deborah Harrell
> William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I read this article recently > http://tinyurl.com/eegfk > > The first paragraph contains the interesting bit > which I quote: > > "According to a 2005 Pew Research Center poll, 70 > percent of > evangelical Christians believe that living beings

Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-10-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/10/2006, at 6:49 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who has no confidence in voting this next election, as Colorado has chosen not to have certifiable machines...no, this is not a joke. Or perhaps it is. Request an absentee ballot, and vote that way. At least it's on paper. Charlie ___

RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-10-02 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Regarding the BJP:] > Really nasty people, propagating the most hateful of > ideas under the > guise of patriotism and national security. Its > sister organisations, the > RSS and the VHP, are equally bad. Golly, no similarities here in the US... Maybe Thoma

RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-10-02 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robert G. Seeberger > > > Richard Baker wrote: > > > One of the most striking things about the July 7 > attacks was how > > > utterly unterrified we all were > > I don't know how it may appear from over there, > but on 9/11 I was > > angry. Heck I w

How religion is destroying America

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
I read this article recently http://tinyurl.com/eegfk The first paragraph contains the interesting bit which I quote: "According to a 2005 Pew Research Center poll, 70 percent of evangelical Christians believe that living beings have always existed in their present form, compared with 32 pe

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Richard Baker
Andrew said: To you, maybe. To put it another way, I take a very engineering view, rather than a scientific one to technology. Well, that sounds like the sort of attitude that Mac people I know take. OS X, for example, has the advantage over Windows that it's actually been properly enginee

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Oct 2006, at 7:16PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 17:57, William T Goodall wrote: Over 25 Windows PCs *every day* are hacked and added to botnets. That's 25 a day more than OS X Macs. Your figure of 0 for Mac's has been debunked over and over and over. Cite and cit

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Oct 2006, at 8:51PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Countering logic with emotions. That some Mac fanatics DDoS'ed his site says a lot, to me. It wasn't a DDoS, it's just that his site fell over when it got more than two visitors. Cheap Hosting Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Oct 2006 at 11:38, Richard Baker wrote: > Andrew said: > > > As I've said before, the Mac is for technosnobs. Pure and simple. > > Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. And if it were true, that > also doesn't mean that it's bad. > > Rich, who is a technosnob, but also just one dat

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Richard Baker
Andrew said: > As I've said before, the Mac is for technosnobs. Pure and simple. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. And if it were true, that also doesn't mean that it's bad. Rich, who is a technosnob, but also just one data point. ___ http:

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Oct 2006 at 17:57, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 2 Oct 2006, at 12:31AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > On 2 Oct 2006 at 0:16, William T Goodall wrote: > > > >> And they don't crash all the time either Maru > > > > Oh? They just have security holes. Which Apple tries to hide. > > > > http:/

Re: PC Software - prices high, little choice

2006-10-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Oct 2006, at 12:31AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 0:16, William T Goodall wrote: And they don't crash all the time either Maru Oh? They just have security holes. Which Apple tries to hide. http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/09/26/apple-and-security-abuse-and- ignorance/#more