Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-30 Thread ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO
Dan Minette wrote: Wind just needs one, effective storage. The lack of it is why wind power cannot be counted on as part of peak demand. It only made sense when natural gas was expensive. Here in Brazil, Wind is used as part of the electric grid (there is a country-wide electric grid, only

Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-30 Thread Klaus Stock
Wind just needs one, effective storage. The lack of it is why wind power cannot be counted on as part of peak demand. It only made sense when natural gas was expensive. Here in Brazil, Wind is used as part of the electric grid (there is a country-wide electric grid, only some parts of the

RE: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-30 Thread Dan Minette
Here in Brazil, Wind is used as part of the electric grid (there is a country-wide electric grid, only some parts of the Rain Forest are outside it). It helps save water and not consume natural gas when the wind blows. So, Wind is _not_ one black swam away, it can be used complementary to other

Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-30 Thread Kevin O'Brien
On 11/29/2012 6:38 PM, Dan Minette wrote: They used the low price tactic to drive out virtually all other rare earth suppliers a bit over a decade ago, and are now in a position where the startup costs are high for other countries, and any country with pollution regulations would have a hard

Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-30 Thread Kevin O'Brien
On 11/30/2012 8:49 AM, Dan Minette wrote: So, they were fired up when the windmills were down due to low wind. Now, with cheap natural gas, the building of windmills has slown down to a virtual halt. Well, cheap currently. It is just one carbon tax away from being expensive. And to my mind the

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-30 Thread Kevin O'Brien
On 11/29/2012 9:16 PM, Dan Minette wrote: They convinced Uganda that using fertilizer and insecticides was bad. That's why the crop yield is so low. Little grows and the insects get most of it. The US, on the other hand, uses insecticides in cycles so it's hard for the insects to develop

Clean high tech solutions

2012-11-30 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is that all un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of bio-terrorism. In the middle of it right now, but so far it's scaring the spit out of me. john why? You have a Zambian daughter, Dan? Two.  The eldest, Neli, came to the

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-30 Thread Klaus Stock
In fact, the other major sin of the Greens (in addition to being against nuclear power) snip That's their political agenda. When the CDU announced that the nuclear power plants in Germany will be shut down, the greens were not alltogether sure if they really wanted that... ;-) is the

Re: Clean high tech solutions

2012-11-30 Thread John Garcia
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jon Louis Mann net_democr...@yahoo.comwrote: I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is that all un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of bio-terrorism. In the middle of it right now, but so far it's scaring the spit out of me.

Idealogy and common sense...

2012-11-30 Thread Jon Louis Mann
In fact, the other major sin of the Greens (in addition to being against nuclear power) snip That's their political agenda. When the CDU announced that the nuclear power plants in Germany will be shut down, the greens were not altogether sure if they really wanted that... ;-) is the

Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-30 Thread Klaus Stock
So, they were fired up when the windmills were down due to low wind. Now, with cheap natural gas, the building of windmills has slown down to a virtual halt. Well, cheap currently. It is just one carbon tax away from being expensive. And to my mind the only question is when that tax comes,

Re: Clean high tech solutions

2012-11-30 Thread Klaus Stock
How were the European Greens responsible for keeping Uganda poor, by turning them away from nuclear?  Two ways: 1) They have extremely strict and unreasonable standards for imported food. For example, its virtually impossible for US food products to be sold there. Unreasonable

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-30 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/29/2012 6:47:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, net_democr...@yahoo.com writes: The measure of a civilization could be said to be its consumption of energy and how it uses resources. Conspicuous v. sustainable... Jon From: medieva...@aol.com Twas in Last