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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > One can believe (as I do NOT) that a centralized > > autocratic > > government, possibly headed by a dictatorial leader, > > with economic > > and social regimentation is a go

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In a message dated 2/1/2004 3:31:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Now please, again, remove "Brin:" from subject lines. Thanks. > Sorry - got into the fray late yesterday and was answering along before a > realized you needed to stop. > = > . >

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> > Partial-Birth Abortion Ban > A non-medical inflammatory descripition of a rarely > used procedure done to > protect the woman. It's worse than that. Almost all cases involve anencephaly, a sysndrome in which it is not discovered until very late... beyond the normal legal limit for abortions

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> Where is the leftist plan for education other than > > writing blank checks? > > As opposed to the conservative plan of writing no > checks at all? You miss the point. The staggering stupidity of the statement is that the mainstream dems aren't proposing hardly any new spending at all, ot

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In a message dated 1/30/2004 9:57:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You mean American political history? I have a degree > in Government, I probably know something about it. > Not to butt in but he was talking about the specific statements you made not about "american hi

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>>>public universities This? >>>medical research How much has the NIH budget gone up under Bush? What happened to it under Regan and Bush senior? > > >>>exploring space > > > The GI Bill was passed by a Congress dominated by > which party? > > >>>opposing fascism and defeating Hitler >

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In a message dated 1/30/2004 11:30:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > As for George Soros, it's easy to demonify, but I'll > match his record at philanthopy against W's pals. > Soros went into eastern europe and spent billions > stabilizing and helping places like Poland, w

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In a message dated 1/30/2004 8:27:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > No Child Left Behind This has been such a great success. Where is the money to back this slogan. The republicans control congress and the white house. Where are the progrrams behind the empty slogans?

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I might respond to this further, but I'm not sure it's possible to have a reasonable discussion. I would ask one thing, though. You criticize the lack of military service in the Bush Administration a great deal. Donald Rumsfeld was an active duty fighter pilot (ROTC at Princeton). I am con

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In a message dated 1/29/2004 10:19:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And yet, where is the left-wing plan for fighting terroism and enhancing > homeland security? Where were the right wing theorists before 9/11? What did the Bush adminstration do with the recommendatio

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--- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's interesting, Damon. You are _literally_ > the > > first person with military experience I've > > communciated with who thinks that Clark should be > > allowed in the White House on anything other than > a> > public tour. Did you encounter h

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> That's interesting, Damon. You are _literally_ the > first person with military experience I've > communciated with who thinks that Clark should be > allowed in the White House on anything other than a > public tour. Did you encounter him while you were > in > the service? Nope. Damon. =

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--- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm personally a Clark supporter as well, mainly on > his career and record. Of all the Dems right now, I > think he has the best chance of balancing internal > administration with an understanding of the world > situation. > > Damon. That's interes

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> difference - but _you should_. In the last three > years 500 Americans have died smashing two fascist > totalitarian dictatorships. In the 1940s tens of > thousands died smashing three other fascist > governments. Those governments were fascist. > Calling > the Americans that - whatever you

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Gautam, I don't have the time to adress this in full (I just got a teaching job on the side, and its proving more challenging than I had anticipated), but let me ask you this: what do you think would have happened if the Iraqi army proved to HAVE some spine, and decided to turn their cities into f

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> Clark has administrative experience. Rhodes > scholar. > Led the most complicated, delicately fragile and > ultimately successful military alliance in all of > our > history to the most satisfying victory we ever had. I'm personally a Clark supporter as well, mainly on his career and record.

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--- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One can believe (as I do NOT) that a centralized > autocratic > government, possibly headed by a dictatorial leader, > with economic > and social regimentation is a good idea, without > beleiving that > anyone of a differnt race should die or be > s

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I prefer the expression "My brain is bigger than yours," myself. If I could attach images, I'd add the picture of Brain Guy from MST3K. FWIW, this has been an entertaining little discourse. Well worth the price of admission of a few hours of reading. And at my billing rate, that's decent mon

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One can believe (as I do NOT) that a centralized autocratic government, possibly headed by a dictatorial leader, with economic and social regimentation is a good idea, without beleiving that anyone of a differnt race should die or be subjugated. On can have been a patriotic German in 1938 and

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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2 - Saddam would go next. > > 3 - The Saudi sheiks would piss in pants. We could > tell them "so far - because you are rich and play golf > with our aristos - we have let you have BOTH homes in > LAs Vegas and Jihad against out civi

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--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > None of which changes the central fact an iota. > FDR > > got rid of Wallace and replaced him with Truman > for > > those very reasons. NATO, the MArshall plan and > all > > of that were PUSHED BY DEMOCR

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David Hobby wrote: > > "Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > > > At 09:50 PM 1/29/04, David Hobby wrote: > > > > >In my experience, real scholars avoid administrative work like > > >the plague! > > > > True! > > > > >(I should know, it's my turn to be Chair...) > > > > Is it only coincidence that the posi

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--- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > O.K., let's try a different tack. How do people in > > your field decide who is "right"? How do they test > theories? > What are their standards of evidence? > Feel free to disabuse me of this, but my opinion is > that it is mostly a matte

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"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 09:50 PM 1/29/04, David Hobby wrote: > > >In my experience, real scholars avoid administrative work like > >the plague! > > True! > > >(I should know, it's my turn to be Chair...) > > Is it only coincidence that the position is named after an object which > mos

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > --- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are probably right, if International Relations > > qualifies as an academic field. Technically it > > does, since > > it is studied at colleges. But it seems too > > politicized for me > > to grant it much respect

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > None of which changes the central fact an iota. FDR > got rid of Wallace and replaced him with Truman for > those very reasons. NATO, the MArshall plan and all > of that were PUSHED BY DEMOCRATS (for the most part, > including the leadership) AND WERE OP

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- Have you heard of Henry > Wallace? He was a fairly important Democrat - in > fact, he was Franklin Roosevelt's third Vice > President. He was so far to the left that his > publicly declared choices for Secretary of State and > Secretary of the Treasury were (we now know) paid > Soviet agents.

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: ... - that any large part of the GOP played any role in backing the drives for civil rights, gender rights or environmental protection. Dr. Brin, it's you, not me, that needs to offer some evidence. You're making some remarkable claims about my ignorance. On that, btw,

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moreover you PROVED that ignorance by claiming that: > > - containment of communism was anything other than a > driev instigated by democrats and labor unionists Actually, I disagreed with you that the GOP actively opposed it. Labor unions were a very i

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-- There is not a chance that I will let this go. Your claim at credentials is absurd. Again and let me repeat AGAIN you avoid grappling even remotely with the TOPICS about which I claimed you were ignorant. Moreover you PROVED that ignorance by claiming that: - containment of communism was an

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Truly unbelievable. You know... and know very well > that my statement had to do with ignorance ABOUT THE > SUBJECT AT HAND. You mean American political history? I have a degree in Government, I probably know something about it. Seriously, Dr. Bri

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, Gautam, things are not as you describe > them. > Under the new traditions set in place by (once > again)George Marshall, the US military is one of the > few that has revolutionized and re-invented > doctrines > without having to undergo a defeat

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--- Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >These are NOT the same complaints as those voiced > by > >Howard Dean. His pusilanimous antiwar position I > have > >no patience for. Saddam had to go. But it is not > all > >or nothing. > > I feel rather t

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From: Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> These are NOT the same complaints as those voiced by Howard Dean. His pusilanimous antiwar position I have no patience for. Saddam had to go. But it is not all or nothing. I feel rather the same way about Dean's Iraq position. Would you care to share which D

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-- > >Those who defend secrecy of ownership are not > >defending enterprise capitalism, they are defending > >feudal privilege. > > > > I have no intention of jumping into this, but I must > say, that is one of the > more truthful statements I have yet witnessed, > squeezed out of someone in >

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Truly unbelievable. You know... and know very well that my statement had to do with ignorance ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT HAND. In order to refute that assertion of mine, you had merely to demonstrate knowledge ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT HAND. Instead, you avoid dealing with any aspect ABOUT THE SUBJECT

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> The Iranians would have followed your orders so > supinely? One could have asked that about the unruly Tajiks, Uzbeks etc in the Northern Alliance. The answer? Make it the only logical choice in their own best interesst. And yes, it woulda worked. They had every motive. > > > > In any eve

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Actually, Gautam, things are not as you describe them. Under the new traditions set in place by (once again)George Marshall, the US military is one of the few that has revolutionized and re-invented doctrines without having to undergo a defeat/trauma first. They are undergoing another major re-

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--- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking iof bolstering the numbers in the Army, I > just saw this on CNN.com today: > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/29/sprj.nirq.army.strength/index.html > > Damon Damon, have you read _Breaking the Phalanx_? This seems to be at least a little insp

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This shows your utterly astounding ignorance. > Totally > without parallel this week. You win the prize. Dr. Brin, do you think that impresses anybody? I've been on the list for how long? What do you think people here think of my knowledge of history?

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am willing to admnit that this idea has flaws and > dangers. I would have limited their involvement to > the Shia south and then used that invasion as > leverage > to get sunni generals to rebel. The Iranians would have followed your orders so supinely

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From: Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Conceptual lines - Re: Brin: LotR and Conservatives Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:01:55 -0800 (PST) Those who defend secrecy of ownership

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I'm only addressing health issues right now, as those are the ones I've researched most thoroughly; I have posted to the List numerous (good) studies supporting this/these positions (I have also posted opposing views/studies where knowledge is not certain -- of course, in medicine information is al

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> Which is what the right is now turning toward to the > left to a degree. > HimmlerCroft and His patriot Act I & II. They are > cementing their own > power, and turning ever more angry, spiteful, and > hateful at people who > don't hold their dogmatic views. I do not disagree about the malicio

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> From: Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ^ > > Yipe! WHo made you the conceptual blurring police, > Jan? > > Fact: nearly all fascist regimes used us-vs-them > demonization int order to create an imagined need to > "all unify and work together." That is what fascism > MEANS. I woul

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Yipe! WHo made you the conceptual blurring police, Jan? Fact: nearly all fascist regimes used us-vs-them demonization int order to create an imagined need to "all unify and work together." That is what fascism MEANS. It comes from the fasci symbol of ancient Rome, adopted by the first fascist

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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fool, let me suggest something. Learn a tiny little > bit about a topic before you make comments like this. > > Because the world faced fascism once, and we want to > > prevent it from ever > > happening again. > > Yes, 6 mill

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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wait a minute, I LIKE economic solutions to social problems. > Properly done, emissions trading would help to make the market more > responsive to environmental costs. (Improperly done, it could be > an easy way to weaken

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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Damon Agretto wrote: > ... > > Korea. When the US government has to start tapping > > guard assets in order to relieve regular army units, > > then I think we have a manpower problem. I've stated > > before that we DO need more troo

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--- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > assigned to an army. Or better yet, that should > > have > > been assigned to the IRANIAN army. > > I'm not so sure that would have been the most > successful or wisest choices. Iran is not exactly > popular amongst secular Arab leaders, being bot

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--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Containing communism > > Dr. Brin, you think the GOP opposed this? You > remember the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan said "Mr. > Gorbachev, tear down this wall." While your favored > party imitated Nevill

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> assigned to an army. Or better yet, that should > have > been assigned to the IRANIAN army. I'm not so sure that would have been the most successful or wisest choices. Iran is not exactly popular amongst secular Arab leaders, being both Shi'a AND fundie Islamic government. Besides which, the on

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> And won the DFC, as I recall. He was also (still > is, > I believe) the youngest person ever to fly an > airplane > off a carrier, since he lied about his age in order > to > join the Navy. And *I* am accused of dwelling on the past? Kennedy was a war hero too. That didn't stop him from be

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Containing communism Dr. Brin, you think the GOP opposed this? You remember the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." While your favored party imitated Neville Chamberlain? > > >public universities This? > > >medic

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> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For example. ... > AIDS Fund SOTU2003: 15 Billion Pledge <> " I ask the Congress to commit $15 billion over the next five years, including nearly $10 billion in new money, to turn

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--- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC Bush flew either F-102s or F-106s for the Texas > ANG. Although a handful were deployed to Vietnam for > air defence, the aircraft was designed to be a > bomber > intereceptor in the event of a Nuclear War. Not > really > a front line fighter. Not

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--- Damon Agretto said "both seem to think it will do > more > to hurt kids who are NOT at need, than help ones > that > are. As a man with 3 small kids in the so called 'gifted programs" I can tell you that the chief effect of "standards" have been mixed. 1) some lousy teachers culled. 2) Som

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Quick note under the "No Child Left Behind" thing. My uncle is an educator, indeed the superintendant of Special Ed in the local school district, so the children he administers over are usually the ones most at need. Recently our state rep (friend of the family and former teacher himself) was discu

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> From: The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Wasn't it just yesterday that it was being reported that Good ole Rummy > decided to increase the Armed forces by 3? Wasn't it just several > months ago that the Draft boards came back from the dead? All

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> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 09:38 PM 1/29/2004 -0800 Davd Brin wrote: > >I should have known better. Sigh. > > > >I said that left-vs.right is a cosmically stupid way > >for immature political minds to identify themselves... > >and you guys rush right ahead and blare "me rig

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--- "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 02:06 AM 1/30/2004 -0800 Davd Brin wrote: > > Yet you defend people who > >regularly spread genuine libel like RAPE and MURDER > at > >the (then) president of the United States? > > But Dr. Brin, aren't you engaging in exactly the > sort of le

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--- "John D. Giorgis" said > In fairness, after bashing the left-right dichotomy, > you then proceeded to > launch into a fairly one-sided rant against > conservatives and the > Republican Party, which most people idenify > synomously with the political > "right." You still refuse to even try to

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IIRC Bush flew either F-102s or F-106s for the Texas ANG. Although a handful were deployed to Vietnam for air defence, the aircraft was designed to be a bomber intereceptor in the event of a Nuclear War. Not really a front line fighter. Not really comparable to, say, George Sr., who flew Dauntless

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So many issues, so little time. What boggles me is that political "my side" myopia blinds folks to simple, basic pattern recognition. Like that way immigration is handled. Both Bushes totally reamed the Border Patrol, for example. Did you know that? Under both administrations, border patrollin

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> From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Even George Bush was a fighter pilot > in the National Guard - not what you choose to do if > you want to avoid all danger. No, you just go AWOL for a year. Nice having politically powerful parents to help you out isn't it? <

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> From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > --- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All funded by Billionaire Right-Wing Sugar Daddies, > > Like Moon, Sciafe, > > Ahmanson, Coors. > > As opposed to left-wing ones like Soros? <

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> From: David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The Fool wrote: > ... > > > I think the best empirical evidence that falsifies your above > > conclusions > > > is to simply compare the number of public policy think tanks on the > > right > > > vs. those of the left. > > > > All funded by Billionaire

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Speaking iof bolstering the numbers in the Army, I just saw this on CNN.com today: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/29/sprj.nirq.army.strength/index.html Damon. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/

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At 09:38 PM 1/29/2004 -0800 Davd Brin wrote: >I should have known better. Sigh. > >I said that left-vs.right is a cosmically stupid way >for immature political minds to identify themselves... >and you guys rush right ahead and blare "me right and >me proud!" In fairness, after bashing the left-rig

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At 02:06 AM 1/30/2004 -0800 Davd Brin wrote: > Yet you defend people who >regularly spread genuine libel like RAPE and MURDER at >the (then) president of the United States? But Dr. Brin, aren't you engaging in exactly the sort of left-right dichotomy that you have earlier rejected?The people w

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Ooooh you guys caught me. It was late at night when I scribbled the ROTC without mentioning it was High School. I was signed up for a 6 year stint as a nuke officer aboard a sub... when many things happened to change that life course. Nothing shameful, just things. But really, what bullshit. I

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Folks, With respect to the ongoing debate about Left vs. Right, the the current administration's willingness to trade freedom for security, consider the following quote, and try to guess who said it. The URL of a web page with the answer is at the end of this email. You and I are told incr

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At 12:52 AM 1/30/04, Davd Brin wrote: In fact, I had 4 years of ROTC training and would have gone to Vietnam if I did not perceive that war as the worst inanity, falling for a KGB trap of sucking America into a land war in Asia. I'm curious: what did you do to fulfil your obligation? (I'm ass

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Gautam, now you are getting plain silly. Making > personal insults directed at me is hardly a response > to my long list of GOP sillinesses. I don't think I'm personally insulting you, actually. > > In fact, I had 4 years of ROTC training and would

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--- Gautam, now you are getting plain silly. Making personal insults directed at me is hardly a response to my long list of GOP sillinesses. In fact, I had 4 years of ROTC training and would have gone to Vietnam if I did not perceive that war as the worst inanity, falling for a KGB trap of sucki

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dang, you DARE to call Condaleeza Rice bright? The > advisor who let W drive Iran into the arms of the > mullahs with that "axis of evil' stupidity, JUST > when > Khatami was gaining power and we were going to need > Iran's help against Saddam? Dr. Brin,

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I should have known better. Sigh. I said that left-vs.right is a cosmically stupid way for immature political minds to identify themselves... and you guys rush right ahead and blare "me right and me proud!" D'uh! In 20 years not one person I know has given a cogent explanation of what it's even

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--- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are probably right, if International Relations > qualifies as an academic field. Technically it > does, since > it is studied at colleges. But it seems too > politicized for me > to grant it much respect. As someone who just finished applyin

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--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All funded by Billionaire Right-Wing Sugar Daddies, > Like Moon, Sciafe, > Ahmanson, Coors. As opposed to left-wing ones like Soros? God knows there are so many billionaires behind defense transformation :-) > > >Many leftists have recently publicl

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The Fool wrote: ... > > I think the best empirical evidence that falsifies your above > conclusions > > is to simply compare the number of public policy think tanks on the > right > > vs. those of the left. > > All funded by Billionaire Right-Wing Sugar Daddies, Like Moon, Sciafe, > Ahmanson, Coor

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Damon Agretto wrote: ... > Korea. When the US government has to start tapping > guard assets in order to relieve regular army units, > then I think we have a manpower problem. I've stated > before that we DO need more troops, and I opposed the > deep cuts the Clinton administration forced on the >

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At 09:50 PM 1/29/04, David Hobby wrote: In my experience, real scholars avoid administrative work like the plague! True! (I should know, it's my turn to be Chair...) Is it only coincidence that the position is named after an object which most people sit on and some people put their feet on

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> > Military Transformation > > Sure, lets take our lean mean capable machine, and > bloat it up, and draft > people who don't particularly want to serve. Those > draftees who will be > coming (after the election) will be SO much better > of a fighting force > than the voluntary one we have now.

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> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I think the best empirical evidence that falsifies your above conclusions > is to simply compare the number of public policy think tanks on the right > vs. those of the left. All funded by Billionaire Right-Wing Sugar Daddies, Like Moon, Sciafe, Ahm

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: ... > Paul Wolfowitz's academic credentials are better than > those of anyone on this list. As are Condi Rice's. You refer to something like: "For the last seven years, Dr. Wolfowitz has served as Dean and Professor of International Relations at the Paul H. Nitze School o

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At 02:43 PM 1/29/2004 -0800 Davd Brin wrote: >Conservatives are even stranger. Ever notice how many >have pictures of Martin Luther King on their walls >now? They cooo at Condaleeza Rice and would 99% vote >for Colin Powell for president. They ARE capable of >change. They just have two prioriti

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--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) no MORE change. Keep the reforms of yesteryear.. > but then modify them so that... > > 2) the top 20,000 frat brothers and golf buddies can > get richer and richer without providing any goods or > services. Really? I'm a conservative, and I don't s

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In a message dated 1/29/2004 3:45:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But the Goppers > have driven away all the homosapiens from their upper > echelons. There are no more Dwight Eisenhowers and > Barry Goldwaters. It's all frat boys, top to bottom. > > That's why our

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The point that I make at http://www.davidbrin.com/disputationarticle1.html and at http://www.davidbrin.com/libertarianarticle1.html is that the old fashioned political 'left-vs-right' politcal axis is just plain stupid. The points about romanticism in my tolkien article strike at right angles to

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But I do not think that he is focusing on that ~part~. Both are equaly valid points using the same story for analogy. It is perfectly fine to have both be valid. If you take from the discussion that ~conservatism~ is not at all what modern Republicans are practicing, then it is a very insitefu

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Heh. Of course I think he misses the point. It is not so much conservatism as it is romanticism... though certainly the two have a major amount of psychological overlap in their grouchy, look0backwards mentality. If you care to, drop back at that guy's blog and refer folks to http://www.davidbr

Brin: LotR and Conservatives

<> And, like Isildur or Gollum, they are incapable, clearly, of even perceiving their own abasement. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l