RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-25 Thread Curtis Burisch
>I'm a little skeptical on this. There have been so many rosy forecasts over the years for fusion, and they never seem to pan out. >"Fusion is 30 years away, and always will be." I'm well aware of this statement, and it's held true so far -- but to date people have focused on tokamak fusion devic

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/07/2008, at 5:27 AM, hkhenson wrote: >> And there are certain parts >> of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to >> skew future demographics. So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not >> a very well controlled one at that. > > This would worry me more except I th

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > On Jul 24, 2008, at 2:27 PM, hkhenson wrote: > >>> And there are certain parts >>> of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to >>> skew future demographics. So it's likely to be a hard crash, and >>> not >>> a very we

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Curtis Burisch wrote: > 2. Fusion (read up on IEC fusion; there are also another two very promising > new fusion technologies. One or all of these will definitely work. Maybe > more likely 15 years, not 5.) > I'm a little skeptical on this. There have been so many rosy forecasts over the years

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 24, 2008, at 2:27 PM, hkhenson wrote: > At 12:00 PM 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > >> Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic >> regardless. it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7 >> billion sustainably no matter what we do. > > With a lot o

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread hkhenson
I don't know why this failed to post the first time, try again. At 12:00 PM 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: >Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic >regardless. it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7 >billion sustainably no matter what we do. With a

RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
> In what way, specifically? >>It's an unstable situation, implying change. One way or another it will >>sort itself out. If we run out of energy, it will be a global catastrophe where billions die. We will adapt to the new conditions. Stabilization achieved. If we find a new source of energy,

RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 02:39 AM Thursday 7/24/2008, Curtis Burisch wrote: >It's an unstable situation, implying change. One way or another it will sort >itself out. > >For what it's worth, I'm pretty confident we'll sort the energy crisis out >completely within the next five years or so. In what way, specifically?

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:19 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: >On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > >> Some of us get it. But not enough, not by far, not yet .. > > > > > > > > Is there any other way to help them to "get it" than to keep > > reminding them? > > > > > > . . . ronn! :

RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
>> I am not optimistic that this will be done. If this or some other >> really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to be >> in for some nasty times. The other way the energy crisis will be >> solved is for the world population to fall to about a billion. >so we face eithe

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:39 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: >On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > > At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote: > > > >> ___ > >> http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > > > > > > > > I'm speechless

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: >> Some of us get it. But not enough, not by far, not yet .. > > > > Is there any other way to help them to "get it" than to keep > reminding them? > > > . . . ronn! :) Now on that, I will wholeheartedly agree with you. Reminders never

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: >> For every Marx, there's a Stalin. >> (Which was one of the many examples I meant by "it's been tried".) > > I was not aware that either of those was associated with a movement > to convince everyone that they must love each other as much as

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote: > >> ___ >> http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > > > > I'm speechless, too! > > > . . . ronn! :P > > Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attemp

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote: >___ >http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l I'm speechless, too! . . . ronn! :P Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. ___ http://www.mcc

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:23 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: >On Jul 23, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > >> On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > >>> At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > On J

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread hkhenson
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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 23, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > >> On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: >> >>> At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote: > I am

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: >On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > > At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > >> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote: > >> > >>> I am not optimistic that this will be done. If this or some other >

Re: And the thred creep begins Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/07/2008, at 11:21 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > >> "You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing?" >> -- Toby Ziegler > > Why did Toby get all the really good lines? He didn't get them all. He got a lot, but so did Josh,

And the thred creep begins Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > "You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing?" > -- Toby Ziegler Why did Toby get all the really good lines? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: >> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote: >> >>> I am not optimistic that this will be done. If this or some other >>> really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are goin

RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Pat Mathews
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:04:02 -0500 > To: brin-l@mccmedia.com > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Showing again that the underlying problem is that people must > renounce greed and selfishness and replace them with cooperation and altruism. > > > . . . ronn! :) "Great idea. Wrong species."

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: >On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote: > > > I am not optimistic that this will be done. If this or some other > > really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to be > > in for some nasty times. The other way the energ

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:34 PM Monday 7/21/2008, hkhenson wrote: >At 12:00 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: > >Keith wrote > >>If someone in the area can think of another venue to talk about > >>dollar a gallon gasoline, I found it interesting that over the weekend I heard a sound bite on the news from Al Gore where he w

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-22 Thread Bruce Bostwick
Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic regardless. it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7 billion sustainably no matter what we do. And there are certain parts of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to skew future dem

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-22 Thread hkhenson
At 12:00 PM 7/22/2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: >hkhenson wrote: > > > > It's not even a particularly risky project. If you have electrical > > energy to burn, making syngas is easy from coal, even from > > trash. Sasol knows two ways to turn syngas into oil. > > >H... And how much do you thi

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
hkhenson wrote: > > It's not even a particularly risky project. If you have electrical > energy to burn, making syngas is easy from coal, even from > trash. Sasol knows two ways to turn syngas into oil. > H... And how much do you think _coal_ and _trash_ will cost, if they can be turned