At 10:24 AM Tuesday 11/28/2006, Ritu wrote:
Nick Arnett asked:
> Okay... Ritu, did you really mean to say that the Coalition
> (not the US,
> John) is totally responsible for all of the Iraqis killing
> Iraqis these days?
Nope. The Coalition, as I mentioned in the mail John quoted, is
responsi
At 08:39 AM Tuesday 11/28/2006, Dan Minette wrote:
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Ritu wrote:
> I'll disagree with you here. I do not think that AQ wants the US to
> withdraw. Not right now at any rate. A couple of captured AQ documents
> clearly indicate that AQ is hoping that the US stays in Iraq for a long
> time to come. The American presence in Iraq is accomplishing what O
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> JDG wrote:
>
> &g
Nick Arnett asked:
> Okay... Ritu, did you really mean to say that the Coalition
> (not the US,
> John) is totally responsible for all of the Iraqis killing
> Iraqis these days?
Nope. The Coalition, as I mentioned in the mail John quoted, is
responsible for enabling the situation to arise. Th
On 11/27/06, jdiebremse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If Iraqis are
> killing Iraqis at a stunning rate today, and they are, it is because
the
> Coalition enabled such a situation to arise. So, for quite a lot of
us,
> all the Iraqi deaths post 2003 are on the Coalition's head.
Okay... Ritu, di
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> > On the ot
Finally!
I have been reading excerpts but it took me almost the entire day to
work my way down to this message.
JDG wrote:
> Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here.
>
> The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
> deaths currently occuring in
Doug wrote:
> AQ wants to prolong
> the violence because they are aware that Americans have a
> limited amount of patience; that by prolonging the violence
> they will force us to leave.
I'll disagree with you here. I do not think that AQ wants the US to
withdraw. Not right now at any rate.
JDG wrote:
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Similarly, I find the notion of bombing a people into democracy and
> > gratitude stupid. And I really honestly do not believe that Bush's
> > failure of imagination and my recognition of the same makes me
> > responsib
Andrew wrote:
> Huh? No, again, you're somehow focusing on "AQ hates Americans in
> Iraw". They PLAIN HATE AMERICANS. They're "prolonging the violence"
> by attacking Americans because it hurts American interests and
> Americans. Iraq happens to be the current best place for them to do
> that.
On 27 Nov 2006 at 12:42, Doug wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
> I wrote:
> >
> >> The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
> >> Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
> >> Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in >Iraq.
> >> Why
At 08:58 AM Monday 11/27/2006, Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm quite sure that's not needed, since it is common sense that one can
prophet from the past.
Aargh.
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Andrew wrote:
I wrote:
>
>> The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
>> Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
>> Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in >Iraq.
>> Why did they want to prolong the violence? Because of th
On 27 Nov 2006 at 8:45, Doug wrote:
> The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
> Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
> Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in >Iraq.
>Why did they want to prolong the violence? Becaus
JDG wrote:
> Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here.
>
> The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
> deaths currently occurring in Iraq. While this was a reasonable
> proposition when the deaths in Iraq were occurring largely as a result of
>
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>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
On 11/27/06, jdiebremse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occuring in Iraq.
Cite, please.
I don't recall anybody making any such argument.
Nick
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On 11/26/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If need be, I can make a general case that our decision making process is
better informed when we do study pact actions and results in such a manner
than when we don't. Indeed, arguing against such a case would reject a
great deal of how we l
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>
> On 11/26/06, Dan
On 11/26/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
... a critical part of this is
accepting the consequences of one's own preferred path, as well as the
consequences of the path one opposes.
Unfortunately, that's based in fantasy because God only knows what would
have happened if another co
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>
> Dan Minette wro
Dan Minette wrote:
> > Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
> > covered this ground earlier, before the invasion.
>
> We have, and I think there is a reasonable view that might address
> some of what you and some of what JDG argues for.
> Which probably means tha
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> It would, however, be
> reasonable to argue that,
On 11/25/06, jdiebremse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, for quite a lot of
us,
> all the Iraqi deaths post 2003 are on the Coalition's head.
And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to support
the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum
Very, very bad logic. Th
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> Only if you share Bush
JDG wrote:
> And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to
> support the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum
Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
covered this ground earlier, before the invasion.
Ritu
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JDG wrote:
> > And how does that 13+ years of attacks compare to just the
> last month
> > in Iraq?
>
> I dunno, how many Iraqis did the US kill last month?
Who knows? You guys don't do body counts when you are doing the killing.
> And how many Iraqis did Iraqis kill?
Again, who knows?
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