Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-12 Thread Keith Henson
At 10:16 PM 12/04/04 +, you wrote: --===1943412254== (I just received your message of 7 April.) Keith Henson wrote The model of evolutionary psychology ... is that any observed feature in a species is either the direct result of the feature being selected or it is a s

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-12 Thread Robert J. Chassell
(I just received your message of 7 April.) Keith Henson wrote The model of evolutionary psychology ... is that any observed feature in a species is either the direct result of the feature being selected or it is a side effect of some feature that was selected. Yes, I understand.

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-10 Thread Keith Henson
At 03:14 PM 09/04/04 -0700, you wrote: Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip I think an argument can be made that - in terms of expansion of genes and memes - war _is_ adaptive when one culture is technologically more advanced than the other; the above is rather like the MAD scenario carrie

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-10 Thread Keith Henson
At 08:43 AM 09/04/04 -02-30, you wrote: From: Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:12:43 -0400 We know

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-10 Thread Deborah Harrell
Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/primer.html > > "The goal of research in evolutionary > psychology is to discover and > understand the design of the human mind > "In this view, the mind is a set of > information-processing machine

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-10 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:12:43 -0400 We know that you don't get wars if economic dis

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-07 Thread Keith Henson
At 02:31 PM 07/04/04 -0400, you wrote: Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote It's worst than that. The natives of Easter Island ... went at each other with rocks ... True, but that tells us nothing as to whether the capability of developing `xenophobic memes' comes as the result of great

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-07 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote It's worst than that. The natives of Easter Island ... went at each other with rocks ... True, but that tells us nothing as to whether the capability of developing `xenophobic memes' comes as the result of greater genetic reproduction under some cir

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-07 Thread Robert J. Chassell
> to enable more spying ... in effect, to enable a few to be more > obvious about their xenophilia than before.) ^^ ... Did you mean "xenophobia" in those two places where you wrote "xenophilia"? No, I meant xenophilia: my question is whethe

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Keith Henson
At 05:01 PM 06/04/04 -0400, Robert J. Chassell wrote: snip By the way, evolutionary psychology tries to account for human psychology traits that were adaptive for hunter gatherers. These traits may map into modern conditions, but it's just happenstance. Some of them like capture-bonding--bet

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Keith Henson
At 05:01 PM 06/04/04 -0400, you wrote: Keith Henson wrote that times of trouble tend to make for a spread in xenophobic notions. He said that idea came from evolutionary psychology. Regarding evolutionary psychology, Gautam Mukunda wrote My problem ... It struck me as a "just so" story. Thi

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
"Robert J. Chassell" wrote: > (And I cam up with the notion that a society would permit those savy > men to find out more about the enemy, to enable more spying, so as to > be better able to kill them -- in effect, to enable a few to be more > obvious about their xenophilia than before.)

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Keith Henson wrote that times of trouble tend to make for a spread in xenophobic notions. He said that idea came from evolutionary psychology. Regarding evolutionary psychology, Gautam Mukunda wrote My problem ... It struck me as a "just so" story. This is true. I like the notion of `xeno

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread The Fool
> From: Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 05:55 PM 03/04/04 -0600, The Fool wrote: > > > From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > snip > > > > So how does that square with the idease expressed > > > here? I'm not even sure, but evolutionary psychology > > > is a very, very, very thin r

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-04 Thread Keith Henson
At 05:55 PM 03/04/04 -0600, The Fool wrote: > From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> snip > So how does that square with the idease expressed > here? I'm not even sure, but evolutionary psychology > is a very, very, very thin reed on which to rest an argument. I tend to think extremism develops

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-03 Thread The Fool
> From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > --- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tend to doubt very many Brin-Lers--other than > > certain Trolls--had > > difficulty understanding you. > > I did, actually, and I have an extensive background in > evolutionary psych. > > My problem wi

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-03 Thread Keith Henson
At 06:46 AM 03/04/04 -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tend to doubt very many Brin-Lers--other than > certain Trolls--had > difficulty understanding you. I did, actually, and I have an extensive background in evolutionary psych. My problem with it - from what

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tend to doubt very many Brin-Lers--other than > certain Trolls--had > difficulty understanding you. I did, actually, and I have an extensive background in evolutionary psych. My problem with it - from what I did understand - is the problem shared with m

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread The Fool
> From: Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 05:26 PM 02/04/04 -0800, you wrote: > >I know what a meme is. I meant I couldn't understand what you were saying. > > It would be hard to understand if you are not up on evolutionary psychology. I tend to doubt very many Brin-Lers--other than certa

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Keith Henson
; -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Henson > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:12 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror > > At 11:33 PM 01/04/04 -0800, Mike Lee wrote: > >

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread The Fool
> From: Mike Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I know what a meme is. I meant I couldn't understand what you were saying. In the past you've claimed to be more intelligent. The truth now emerges... - "As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities." - Voltaire _

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Mike Lee
essed what that is, so I don't need to tell you. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William T Goodall > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:49 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Meta Level was Winning the Wa

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: > > > From: Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > At 11:33 PM 01/04/04 -0800, Mike Lee wrote: > > > > >Note to Keith: saying "meme" a lot doesn't make you intelligible. > > > > Sorry. I didn't realize the term was unfamiliar within this group. > > Mr. Lee is a Troll. Apparent

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 3 Apr 2004, at 2:26 am, Mike Lee wrote: I know what a meme is. I meant I couldn't understand what you were saying. Nothing wrong with being stupid. Most people are. But top-posting is a no-no on this list. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blo

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Mike Lee
I know what a meme is. I meant I couldn't understand what you were saying. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Henson > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:12 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Meta Le

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Mike Lee
> Question to Mike: do you really mean "intelligible," or did > you mean "intelligent?" I meant intelligible, in a somewhat metaphoric sense. For example, someone might be said to be unintelligibly muttering. Or a schizophrenic might be unintelligibly ranting. I was referring more to the latte

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Mike Lee
Takes one to know one. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Fool > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:19 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror > > > From: Kei

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror > Mike Lee wrote: > > > Note to Keith: sayin

RE: Meta Level (was Winning the War on Terror)

2004-04-02 Thread Keith Henson
At 02:32 PM 02/04/04 -0800, you wrote: > Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote one of the earliest popular articles on > memes "MEMETICS AND THE MODULAR-MIND" in Analog >(1987). snip I put the pointers up for historical context. light. Even if they were harmful when they started, th

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread The Fool
> From: Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 11:33 PM 01/04/04 -0800, Mike Lee wrote: > > >Note to Keith: saying "meme" a lot doesn't make you intelligible. > > Sorry. I didn't realize the term was unfamiliar within this group. Mr. Lee is a Troll. Apparently you have been trolled. __

RE: Meta Level (was Winning the War on Terror)

2004-04-02 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Keith Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote one of the earliest popular articles on > memes "MEMETICS AND THE MODULAR-MIND" in Analog >(1987). > > http://groups.google.ca/groups?selm=hkhensonE5ozq9.K8x%40netcom.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain "History classes have made us more aware of the

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Dave Land
Mike Lee wrote: Note to Keith: saying "meme" a lot doesn't make you intelligible. Question to Mike: do you really mean "intelligible," or did you mean "intelligent?" I don't want to assume that this was a "Bushism," (as in "functionable" for "functional") but, I don't really understand your cri

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Keith Henson
At 11:33 PM 01/04/04 -0800, Mike Lee wrote: Note to Keith: saying "meme" a lot doesn't make you intelligible. Sorry. I didn't realize the term was unfamiliar within this group. A meme is an element of culture, a replicating information pattern affecting behavior. There are many other related d

RE: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-01 Thread Mike Lee
Note to Keith: saying "meme" a lot doesn't make you intelligible. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Henson > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:13 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terr