From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces
and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer
Europe,
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or that it was a medieval German
that invented the printing press.
Jan Coffey wrote:
The chinese invented the printing press.
That german just copied it.
Gutenberg is credited for inventing movable type.
There had been other methods for pressing ink
Jan Coffey wrote:
You can't beleive everything you read, but you also can't allways trust the
experts when it comes to a topic like history. Especialy when so many of
them disagree.
I haven't read Cahill, but I have read Guns Germs and Steel and have
heard much praise for it from those on this
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or that it was a medieval German that invented the printing press.
The chinese invented the printing press. That german just copied it.
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Jan William Coffey
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
You can't beleive everything you read, but you also can't allways trust
the
experts when it comes to a topic like history. Especialy when so many
of
them disagree.
I haven't read Cahill, but I have read Guns Germs and
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For a long time custer was considered by history to
have been very brave and
a good warior. As it turns out he wasn't.
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Jan William Coffey
He wasn't? While he wasn't exactly brilliant in
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The chinese invented the printing press. That german
just copied it.
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Jan William Coffey
The Chinese invented _movable type_, which is a very
long way away from Gutenberg's
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Would it have made much difference?
Doug
Who doesn't believe it would have.
My understanding is that the religion itself has many tenets which
inhibit both socialogical and scientific change. Not that Christianity
didn't have some of those same characteristics at various
Damon wrote:
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows
a fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Gosh - that got a reaction!
I think it's safe to say that Middle Ages were stagnant IN SOME WAYS, if
we compare them to any other period of
Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Fool wrote:
If they are right then if it were not for this
chance occurance [meteor impact before emperor
Constantine], europe
might be mithraist or mulsim and not christian.
Would you prefer that?
So
That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer Europe,
they had a massive fleet the likes never seen up to that time, and their
That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer Europe,
they had a massive fleet the likes never seen up to that time, and their
Russell Chapman wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Would it have made much difference?
Doug
Who doesn't believe it would have.
My understanding is that the religion itself has many tenets which
inhibit both socialogical and scientific change. Not that Christianity
didn't have some of
Damon wrote:
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a
fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Any suggestions?
Doug
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Russell Chapman wrote:
My understanding is that the religion itself has many tenets which
inhibit both socialogical and scientific change. Not that Christianity
didn't have some of those same characteristics at various times, but...
It's fairly easy to abandon Christianity and continue to live
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer Europe,
they had a massive fleet the likes
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Damon wrote:
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a
fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Any suggestions?
Doug
Not his again. They certainly were in many ways. Why don't
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a
fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Any suggestions?
If you know nothing about the middle ages and want a good, concise,
readable introduction,
From: Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's all very nice but you failed to directly address what I was
referring to: you linked the Dark Ages with the rise of the Papacy.
This
shows a lack of research on your part, or even an acknowledgement of
medieval history.
The Dark Ages was a VERY
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not his again. They certainly were in many ways. Why don't you read a book
like How the Irish Saved civilization.
Just FYI this book has been criticized by professional historians pretty
thoroughly. Its pop history.
Not all profesional historians
Damon, Is your last name D*##0^? You sound like DD word for word.
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you offer any good talks or documentaries? Reviews even? I don't have
time to spend on this topic to read something. I also don't quite
understand
your viewpoint. Are you saying that
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Fool wrote:
If they are right then if it were not for this
chance occurance [meteor impact before emperor
Constantine], europe
might be mithraist or mulsim and not christian.
Would you prefer that?
So then we'd wear, carry and set up
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:34 PM 6/23/03 -0500, The Fool wrote:
If they are right then if it were not for this chance occurance, europe
might be mithraist or mulsim and not christian.
Would you prefer that?
Would it have made much difference?
Doug
Who doesn't believe it would have.
From: Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The rise of the dark ages along with the rise the popes and
'universal'
(catholic) belief, are hardly coincident. It was only when the
absolute
authority of the popes began to disintegrate into hundreds of
competeing
factions that europe began it's upward path
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