Re: br!n: feudalism meme in america

2003-09-07 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/6/2003 7:45:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course I could go on to say that feudalism was an agreement between two men in which one did service for the other in exchange for land, and has nothing to do with rulership. But then, I don't think

Re: br!n: feudalism meme in america

2003-09-07 Thread Damon
Was this a freely made agreement between equals or was it a situation where one man owned the land through inheritance and the other had no option other than to work in the service of the lord. Where there the lord got to decide the terms of the agreement and if the peasent did not agree the

Re: br!n: feudalism meme in america

2003-09-07 Thread Damon
So how exactly IS promising goods and services to a lord in exchange for land different from my leasing a house? I probably could do it as barter if I had to--but money is easier. Your definition of feudalism might stretch so far that it is meaningless. No, my definition of feudalism is

Re: br!n: feudalism meme in america

2003-09-06 Thread Damon
And America was not conceived of as a feudal state, feudalism being broadly defined as rule by the super-rich. Rather, our nation was created in large part in reaction against centuries of European feudalism. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said in his lecture titled The Fortune of the Republic, delivered

Re: br!n: feudalism meme in america

2003-09-06 Thread David Hobby
Damon wrote: ... Of course I could go on to say that feudalism was an agreement between two men in which one did service for the other in exchange for land, and has nothing to do with rulership. But then, I don't think anyone really cares about history anymore, or getting it right... :(

Re: br!n: feudalism meme in america

2003-09-06 Thread The Fool
From: Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] And America was not conceived of as a feudal state, feudalism being broadly defined as rule by the super-rich. Rather, our nation was created in large part in reaction against centuries of European feudalism. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said in his lecture titled

Re: br!n: feudalism meme in america

2003-09-06 Thread Damon
So feudalism was just a lot of private contracts? O.K.. But if one's choice is accept a serfdom contract or starve, isn't this in fact coercion? Technically serfdom is outside the bounds of feudalism because a serf does not do homage or swear fealty for his lands. Reguardless, using

Re: br!n: feudalism meme in america

2003-09-06 Thread David Hobby
Damon wrote: So feudalism was just a lot of private contracts? O.K.. But if one's choice is accept a serfdom contract or starve, isn't this in fact coercion? Technically serfdom is outside the bounds of feudalism because a serf does not do homage or swear fealty for his lands.