On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote:
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> I knew he couldn't keep out of a debate that touched on philosophy!
>
> How long did you hold out, Marvin? A week?
>
> ;)
Hey, that doesn't mean anything. It's not like I'm addicted or anything.
I can quit any time I want!
Marvin Long
Austin,
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From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US
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> Dan Minette wrote:
> >
> >The sources I read suggested that immig
Marvin wrote:
> I have to admit it made me giggle a bit to see Kagan's analysis of
USA
> power-based morality vs. EU powerlessness-based morality mirror
exactly
> Nietzsche's theory of master vs. slave moralities (in a very
specific and
> limited context, to be sure). The fact that he takes this
p
Dan Minette wrote:
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>The sources I read suggested that immigration from Albania has been going
>on for 400+ years. What was the fraction in the early 20th century?
>
You are the statistics guy. Get your sources :-P
>>
>> My bet is that the next country to be Kosovoed is Germany - a
>> fine iron
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From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US
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> Dan Minette wrote:
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> >> Why did you use the future ten
Dan Minette wrote:
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>> Why did you use the future tense? What you predicted is exactly
>> what happened in Serbia: namely the de-europeization of Kosovo.
>
>Well, that's a different story. Kosovo came under Musilim rule when the
>Ottoman empire conquered it in 1455. The Ottoman empire only lost
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Erik Reuter wrote:
> I had a similar reaction. He spent a lot of words setting up the
> conflict between the US on one side with the belief that military force
> is the way to solve international problems, and the EU on the other side
> with the belief that appeasement, engagem
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From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US
> Why did you use the future tense? What you predicted is exactly
> what happe
Dan Minette wrote:
Well, that might or might not happen. What do you call near east, BTW?
East Europe has a very low birth rate, so they won't bring a high birth
rate with them.
D'oh! I forgot - near east is different for Australians than other
westerners... (and yet we still call the far east
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From: "Russell Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US
> Dan Minette wrote:
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> >The real risk in this is not that the US will figh
on 2/12/02 11:47 pm, Dan Minette at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I also see the demographics and related economics affecting the
> relationship in three ways.
>
> First, as Europe population peaks and declines, its economic power will
> also decline and it will become less important to the US.
>
>
Why did you use the future tense? What you predicted is exactly
what happened in Serbia: namely the de-europeization of Kosovo.
Alberto Monteiro
Russell Chapman wrote:
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>I think this ignores (and I think Kagan ignored it too) the infiltration
>of Europe through its southern borders. Enormous nu
Dan Minette wrote:
The real risk in this is not that the US will fight Europe. Its that
Europe will become marginalized, and the US will operate without
constraints or effective feedback.
I think this ignores (and I think Kagan ignored it too) the infiltration
of Europe through its southern b
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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US
> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:51:21PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
> > So, should I c
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:51:21PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
> So, should I continue reading it, or leave it only having gotten about
> 1/3 of the way through? (Or should I just take a break and come back to
> it later, when I'm not quite so tired?)
If you are expecting a strong conclusion or
Erik Reuter wrote:
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> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:10PM +, William T Goodall wrote:
> > on 2/12/02 4:57 pm, Gautam Mukunda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html
> > >
> > 1) So Europe's lack of interest in developing military force, and the US's
> > r
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:10PM +, William T Goodall wrote:
> on 2/12/02 4:57 pm, Gautam Mukunda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html
> >
> 1) So Europe's lack of interest in developing military force, and the US's
> role in defending Europe are a Good
on 2/12/02 4:57 pm, Gautam Mukunda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html
>
> A really, really fascinating article from _Policy
> Review_. I think people will find it interesting. I
> agree with Kagan almost entirely, save that I think he
> underestimates the ext
http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html
A really, really fascinating article from _Policy
Review_. I think people will find it interesting. I
agree with Kagan almost entirely, save that I think he
underestimates the extent to which long-term
demographic and economic trends will exacerbate the
s
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