Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-30 Thread Nate
On Aug 30, 12:41 am, "Dr. Tarique Sani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Gwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since we have spent some time over the last week optimizing, I figured > > I would run some more tests. I really don't like "ab" as a utility. I > > But wha

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-29 Thread Dr. Tarique Sani
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Gwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since we have spent some time over the last week optimizing, I figured > I would run some more tests. I really don't like "ab" as a utility. I But what was the test? Can we have a peek at the areas where Cake 1.2 is being look

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-29 Thread teknoid
Boo, premature optimizers! Hooray, beer.. On Aug 29, 3:47 pm, Gwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since we have spent some time over the last week optimizing, I figured > I would run some more tests. I really don't like "ab" as a utility. I > have trouble believing that it accurately tells us what

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-29 Thread Gwoo
Since we have spent some time over the last week optimizing, I figured I would run some more tests. I really don't like "ab" as a utility. I have trouble believing that it accurately tells us what is happening. For one, I think mod_rewrite has an effect on the stats. IF someone can prove otherwise

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-29 Thread LunarDraco
I always find it interesting how benchmarking is done. My understanding of software development is to define some requirements, write some test, run the test, write code to support the test, once all test for given requirements iteration are passing, then we look at profiling. In all my years of w

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread majna
.. and cake hello world application memory usage is 5 Mb. So when you put few things more (model recursive instances) you must fight to be below PHP4 default 8Mb. (For exmpl. CI has 1.2 Mb.) (persistModel and which caches class registry use even more memory) (profiling cake I can see around 2000-

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread Nate
@kiang: That's a great idea. I think a more general performance- tuning guide would really help out. I know there are some resources on this, but I think a comprehensive guide in the Cookbook somewhere would be great. I'll see what we can do about this. On Aug 28, 11:11 am, kiang <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread RichardAtHome
Just my two cents: CakePHP is fast enough for me :-) That's not to say you shouldn't optimize for speed at some point in the future. I just mean, it shouldn't be a priority. Keep doing what your doing Cake dev's. Cake hasn't become one of the most popular PHP frameworks because of its speed ;-)

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread kiang
Maybe there could be one page like 'Read first before benchmarking' in home page since there exists many mis-understandings around the world. :) --- kiang On Aug 28, 10:41 pm, Gwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing we know for sure is that we can always work to improve the > speed. However,

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread Michael Schmalle
> One thing we know for sure is that we can always work to improve the speed. However, we will not do it in earnest until the time is right. We have been here before, seen similar things, and come up with the answers. This is SO smart and the way leaders lead. I am in the middle of making a HUGE

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread Gwoo
One thing we know for sure is that we can always work to improve the speed. However, we will not do it in earnest until the time is right. We have been here before, seen similar things, and come up with the answers. While the hello world is pretty silly, a couple of things strike me right off the

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread Nate
Sorry, but Rasmus' benchmarks are useless. There's no documentation of his methodology. There's not even any indication that he wasn't running in debug mode. I've spoken to Paul M. Jones (author of the original PHP framework benchmarks), and he's getting ready to run another round soon. So, we'

Re: Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread Dr. Tarique Sani
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:03 PM, kiang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://talks.php.net/show/froscon08/ > > He compared the performance of several PHP frameworks and CakePHP > seems to be the one which have the biggest space to improve. ^^|| H Another "Hello world" benchmark for frame

Simple is Hard, talked by Rasmus Lerdorf @ FrOSCon 2008

2008-08-28 Thread kiang
http://talks.php.net/show/froscon08/ He compared the performance of several PHP frameworks and CakePHP seems to be the one which have the biggest space to improve. ^^|| --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups