Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-03 Thread Leandro Ardissone
I agree with this too. And about the budget is ok, because we've spending some company resources in the building of that with no limit of time/budget. It's enough to have the rest of the resources working on our clients and some of us on the development of this app. After completion and site work

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-03 Thread Leandro Ardissone
well, look we are at analysis step yet. it's a community website with a development size like DeviantArt.com but more oriented to musicians. I think it could have a minimum of 10k unique visits daily at start. And after some marketing it will growth. On Jan 3, 1:59 am, "Dr. Tarique Sani" <[EMAI

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Dr. Tarique Sani
On 1/3/07, Chris Hartjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just Build Something, Damnit and worry about fixing any performance issues later. Agreed - but a word of caution the "later" should be much before the site goes live, clients don't take kindly to server meltdowns within hours of going live.

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Dr. Tarique Sani
On 1/2/07, Leandro Ardissone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm starting a big PHP application and planning to use Cake as the framework. Nice to know this, I like big applications - but do elaborate on how big this is going to be... How many tables? What is the expected traffic? Tarique -- ===

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread beatportDan
I'd like to add that I agree whole heartedly with Chris, but one thing you should consider is how you are going to use caching, specifically with your views. From my experience with using Cake and building other large applications this is the first place you can gain large performance improvemen

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Leandro Ardissone
great.. thanks guys.. I'll follow the Chris steps (which don't differs too much from my original thoughts) keeping in mind your others suggestions. happy new year -- Leandro On Jan 2, 6:52 pm, "pmjones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris, you are exactly right. Building and benching in iterat

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread pmjones
Chris, you are exactly right. Building and benching in iterations is reasonable and realistic. Having said that, when you get to point where you **do** need to benchmark in order to improve performance, you will need to know the limits of the framework. No matter how much optimizing you do in

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut
On 1/2/07, Chris Hartjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... Premature optimization lies on the path to developer madness... My thoughts exactly. I think I have said something similar in post before. One being after I changed the code to use lazy loading. -- /** * @author Larry E. Masters * @var s

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Felix Geisendörfer
Well said Chris, I should bookmark this post for future reference ; ). -- Felix Geisendörfer aka the_undefined -- http://www.thinkingphp.org http://www.fg-webdesign.de Chris Hartjes wrote: On 1/2/07, Leandro Ardissone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Dinh, really gr

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Chris Hartjes
On 1/2/07, Leandro Ardissone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Dinh, really great article! thank you.. it will help me in the benchmarking. Just to inject some sanity into what should be a very interesting thread, I urge anyone building an application to simply BUILD IT and worry about the p

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread nate
For the most part, as far as optimizations go, if you set DEBUG to 0, Cake will take care of most production optimizations for you. A few other things you can do are move the .htaccess rules into httpd.conf, and make sure your DocRoot is pointed at the webroot folder. As far as security, you sh

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Leandro Ardissone
Thanks Dinh, really great article! thank you.. it will help me in the benchmarking. I guess also some other aspects I need to take into account. Regards, Leandro On Jan 2, 3:31 pm, Dinh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Performance would be certain thing you need to take into account. A well-known

Re: Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Dinh
Performance would be certain thing you need to take into account. A well-known PHP developer's article may be of interest: http://paul-m-jones.com/blog/?p=238 Dinh On 1/3/07, Leandro Ardissone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I'm starting a big PHP application and planning to use Cake as the f

Starting big application with Cake

2007-01-02 Thread Leandro Ardissone
Hi, I'm starting a big PHP application and planning to use Cake as the framework. But I'm interested on know resources about big php applications developments and things to keep in mind on the design process, analysis, and security stuff. Anyone know where can I start to research about that? I