Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread Erik Hoffman via Callers
On the 16-count swing. It can be totally enjoyable, but usually for experienced dancers. For a group of mostly beginners, even a 12-count swing can be a bit much. So, if I’m calling to a substantially beginning group, I’d turn it into a do-si-do and swing. I’ll even turn a balance & swing into a

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread tavi merrill via Callers
Precisely. What Jeff says here is to me much more than an aside as it helps define and clarify my thoughts around the main point i was trying to make. Dancers are accustomed to swinging for anywhere from 8 to 12 counts (as a balance and swing is 16, minus the 4 counts a balance takes), thus a swin

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread JD Erskine via Callers
On 2016-03-27 1713, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote: Hmm, this is interesting. I picked it up from JoLaine Jones-Pokorney's site, where it's written as allemande R. I haven't been able to find the notes anywhere else, when I was looking to see whether I just had an odd version. Anybody else ha

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread Erik Barry Erhardt via Callers
Tavi, contradanceable EDM (electronic dance music): I've now been doing this for years. Here's my early notes on it to help get others started, including some technical musical editing considerations with examples. Each year I make one to three 45-90 minute continuous techno medleys which I call

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread Kalia Kliban via Callers
On 3/27/2016 6:15 PM, David A Kaynor via Callers wrote: Hi Everyone, The “Young Adult Rose” which I made up goes thus: Duple Improper A1: w/neighbor, balance and swing end progressed A2: Circle left 3/4 til gents are back home; w/partner, pass right shoulder; w/shadow, left hand turn B1: Wit

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Callers
Hmm, I think I've seen people be late with it on twice count swings too? My interpretation is more like, when dancers are starting to learn swing ending flourishes the "counting from the end" to end things on time is hard, and they tend to be late a lot. The longer the flourish they're trying to le

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread tavi merrill via Callers
Needs 4 counts (8 beats) to be executed well. My experience is that using it on 8-count swings makes a lot of people late, because most aren't willing to cut the swing off early enough to fit the twirl in without being late. Hence the usefulness of 16-count swings / utility of flourishes to 16-coun

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread David A Kaynor via Callers
Hi Everyone, The “Young Adult Rose” which I made up goes thus: Duple Improper A1: w/neighbor, balance and swing end progressed A2: Circle left 3/4 til gents are back home; w/partner, pass right shoulder; w/shadow, left hand turn B1: With partner, balance and swing B

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Callers
On Mar 27, 2016 8:38 PM, "tavi merrill via Callers" < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > like the ripcord twirl, seen in the wild here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpR6SxWsM4&list=RDIVquC0jqCXs&t=2m2s and taught here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbyoOPc0rHQ, one of my favorite swing en

Re: [Callers] Rates for private events (weddings etc)?

2016-03-27 Thread Martha Wild via Callers
After having some serious delays at weddings (like 5 hours between when we were supposed to be on and when we actually went on) I now (either as a caller or with one of my bands) charge at least $100-$150 per band/caller person, but include the caveat that a half hour delay is free, but every ha

[Callers] Calling and timing

2016-03-27 Thread Roger Hayes via Callers
Some thoughts on timing, in part inspired by the recent discussion of "Young Adult Rose" (btw, I hope we get a series of dances up to and including "Revered Elder Rose" -- alternatively "That Old Rascal Rose"). As the dancers get the dance into their body, I'll shift from calling early for directi

[Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread tavi merrill via Callers
Hola all, So Amy's followup to her "Is this a new dance" query brought up something i've been thinking about for a while. (Amy & Tom - i'm collecting it with Tom's B2 modification and attributing it as Wimmer, variation Hinds.) A 16-count swing does go on forever. But it is also awesome - and i m

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread Kalia Kliban via Callers
On 3/27/2016 5:09 PM, JD Erskine via Callers wrote: On 2016-03-27 1324, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote: I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete dancer revolt about the shadow allemande. The dance is written with a circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then all

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread JD Erskine via Callers
On 2016-03-27 1324, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote: I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete dancer revolt about the shadow allemande. The dance is written with a circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x, before coming back to P for a bal

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread Bob Morgan via Callers
As I visualize the figure I'm thinking that shadow allemande right is less than one, essentially enough to take the dancers around each other to change direction only but changing from outside to inside track or vice versa. They're then heading back on the other track to balance and swing (actuall

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread Rich Sbardella via Callers
In Another Nice Combination, dancers Pass P by R to Shadow DSD which is a right (handed) move, before returning to a partner swing. There is no choice required since DSD is almost always right shoulder. Rich On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jonathan Sivier via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweig

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread Jonathan Sivier via Callers
I've not encountered problems with dancers not doing the figures described in the dance, but I have experienced a certain amount of dissatisfaction when dancing dances with similar figures. I think there is a tendency to want to alternate hands/shoulders as you encounter other dancers. Sim

[Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread Michael Fuerst via Callers
May this be your biggest disappointment in life.  :) (Allemande left works much  better, because it gives dancers a better direction for starting  the swing.When calling the dance on a Saturday I probably use left shoulder gypsy instead of the allemande.) Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway  

[Callers] Young Adult Rose

2016-03-27 Thread Kalia Kliban via Callers
I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete dancer revolt about the shadow allemande. The dance is written with a circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x, before coming back to P for a balance and swing. The dancers all _really_ wanted t

Re: [Callers] New dance?

2016-03-27 Thread Pat Hoekje via Callers
I am trying to visualize the circle R to star R with new neighbor from the women's place and I have to turn around (or drop from the circle right a bit early to star right with the next neighbor.  What am I not seeing correctly or is that true?   Thanks,Pat On Sunday, March 27, 2016 4:22 A

Re: [Callers] Rates for private events (weddings etc)?

2016-03-27 Thread John Sweeney via Callers
Hi Maia, First you have to decide whether you are running a business or enjoying a hobby. I do both and the rates are completely different. As a hobby I charge whatever the gig can afford, going as low as zero. But that has to be stuff that you want to do for fun,

Re: [Callers] New dance?

2016-03-27 Thread Amy Wimmer via Callers
Tom and Erik are quite right about that swing. It lasts FOREVER, which is a little too long. I took Michael's suggestion and started at A2. I also took Michael's suggestion of turning the allemande into a two-eyed turn (an "eye-lemande" as my friend Matthew coined). Thank you for the suggestions f