Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
ct: Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by::Controller::FormBuilder On 1/3/07, Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Daniel McBrearty wrote: > another thing : doesn't that imply that you have to install the > deprecated plugin bef

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Daniel McBrearty
I'd make that optional, per config or environment variable. Just loading stuff off the net by default seems bad to me. Also, devs without internet connection could get in trouble. IMO it also shouldn't update itself, but rather just tell the user if there's a newer version. yup, makes sense.

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek
Daniel McBrearty wrote: > If I have this right, the plugin : > > - looks at the list of installed stuff at runtime > - compares against %known_good_list or %black_list > - warns when it decides something is wrong ... Rather: List of plugins loaded at runtime in the application, and only warn if

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Daniel McBrearty
On 1/3/07, Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Daniel McBrearty wrote: > another thing : doesn't that imply that you have to install the > deprecated plugin before the DepPlugins Plugin jumps up an says "you > shouldn't ha' done that jimmy ..." (presumably before breathing > alc

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek
Daniel McBrearty wrote: > if something like this were to exist I think it should still get the > dep list from a well-formatted web page though, so that the manual way > is still possible if you choose that. See my other post on that. It would be a Plugin, the plugin would go to CPAN, CPAN makes

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Daniel McBrearty
ok, true ... if something like this were to exist I think it should still get the dep list from a well-formatted web page though, so that the manual way is still possible if you choose that. On 1/3/07, Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Daniel McBrearty wrote: > what happens

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek
Daniel McBrearty wrote: > another thing : doesn't that imply that you have to install the > deprecated plugin before the DepPlugins Plugin jumps up an says "you > shouldn't ha' done that jimmy ..." (presumably before breathing > alcohol at you and pissing in your flower pots). What's "that"? I di

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek
Daniel McBrearty wrote: > what happens if you need to deprecate it ... ? > > (I'm only half joking ... ) Why should there be a problem? Deprecate Version of C:P:DP[1] 1. Add Version to it's own Deprecated Versions List 2. Rerelease Deprecate whole C:P:DP 1. Write replacement 2. Add mod

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Daniel McBrearty
another thing : doesn't that imply that you have to install the deprecated plugin before the DepPlugins Plugin jumps up an says "you shouldn't ha' done that jimmy ..." (presumably before breathing alcohol at you and pissing in your flower pots). All that is really needed is that instead of instal

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Daniel McBrearty
what happens if you need to deprecate it ... ? (I'm only half joking ... ) On 1/3/07, Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matthieu Codron wrote: > On 1/2/07, Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Might be a good thing to have an MODULES_CURRENT/MODULES_OBSOLETE list, >> o

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Robert 'phaylon' Sedlacek
Matthieu Codron wrote: > On 1/2/07, Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Might be a good thing to have an MODULES_CURRENT/MODULES_OBSOLETE list, >> or ask the module authors to simply note the obsolescence in an updated >> POD. > > I think it is a terrific idea. > Catalyst is a lot about ch

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Matthieu Codron
On 1/2/07, Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Daniel McBrearty wrote: > is there any way that this info can somehow find its way onto the > perldoc ? in big letters at the top ... ? Might be a good thing to have an MODULES_CURRENT/MODULES_OBSOLETE list, or ask the module authors to simply

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Dave Howorth
Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior wrote: > Actually, I have no idea how Test::WWW::Mechanize tests manage to > crash perl under Windows on almost all test cases. The comment on this bug report looks like it might provide a hint :) Cheers, Dave

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
Hi, Finally I was able to install Catalyst::Controller::FormBuilder under Windows. I have tried the same thing, but with different results: ppm s Test-WWW-Mechanize-Catalyst ppm i 2 Downloading Test-WWW-Mechanize-Catalyst-0.37...done Unpacking Test-WWW-Mechanize-Catalyst-0.37...done Generatin

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior
On 1/2/07, David Morel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pardon me everyone, but this is getting old. If T:W:M fails to build on winblows, the thing to do is post a bug report on rt.cpan.org (and dig in the errors). This has nothing to do with Catalyst or C:C:FormBuilder. Right... this will surely sou

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Juan Camacho
On 1/2/07, David Morel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 3 janv. 07 à 00:29, Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior a écrit : > On 1/2/07, Jonathan Rockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Incidentally, I wrote the chapter of my book on FormBuilder the day >> before the Controller was released :) However, u

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Juan Camacho
On 1/2/07, Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Should we subclass C::C::FB, or put our forms within it? Curious as to the way you recommend using it. Create a base controller that sub-classes it and have your individual controllers inherit from your base. _

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread David Morel
Le 3 janv. 07 à 00:29, Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior a écrit : On 1/2/07, Jonathan Rockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Incidentally, I wrote the chapter of my book on FormBuilder the day before the Controller was released :) However, updating the chapter only took about 30 seconds... so no e

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior
On 1/2/07, Jonathan Rockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Incidentally, I wrote the chapter of my book on FormBuilder the day before the Controller was released :) However, updating the chapter only took about 30 seconds... so no excuses! I find it somewhat worrying that the first book to be publ

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Joe Landman
Juan Camacho wrote: I can't think of anything beyond the tests that will prevent you from running it, but posts specifics here if you can't. Hi Juan: Should we subclass C::C::FB, or put our forms within it? Curious as to the way you recommend using it. Joe -- Joseph Landman, Ph.D Foun

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Juan Camacho
On 1/2/07, Octavian Rasnita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, too bad. I have tried installing it under Windows, but I couldn't. It requires Test::WWW::Mechanize::Catalyst. I have installed this module using ppm, but if I run it, it breaks with the error telling that Test::WWW::Mechanize is require

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Octavian Rasnita
ECTED]>; "The elegant MVC web framework" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by::Controller::FormBuilder On 31 Dec 2006, at 03:29, Joe Landman wrote: From my previous email on C::P::FormBuilder until now,

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread David Morel
Le 2 janv. 07 à 20:17, Jonathan Rockway a écrit : Matt S Trout wrote: Call me a little confused, I am not sure that I properly grasp which one to use for FormBuilder. For the moment, I am simply going to focus on the plugin (C::P::FB). Don't. The plugin's obsolete, undeveloped and has k

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Jonathan Rockway
Matt S Trout wrote: >> Call me a little confused, I am not sure that I properly grasp which one >> to use for FormBuilder. For the moment, I am simply going to focus on >> the plugin (C::P::FB). > > Don't. The plugin's obsolete, undeveloped and has known interoperability > issues. Incidentally,

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Joe Landman
Daniel McBrearty wrote: is there any way that this info can somehow find its way onto the perldoc ? in big letters at the top ... ? Might be a good thing to have an MODULES_CURRENT/MODULES_OBSOLETE list, or ask the module authors to simply note the obsolescence in an updated POD. -- Joseph

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Joe Landman
Matt S Trout wrote: On 31 Dec 2006, at 03:29, Joe Landman wrote: From my previous email on C::P::FormBuilder until now, I have been reading and playing with the code. I found a new controller, Catalyst::Controller::FormBuilder (http://search.cpan.org/~jcamacho/Catalyst-Controller-FormBuilder

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Daniel McBrearty
is there any way that this info can somehow find its way onto the perldoc ? in big letters at the top ... ? On 1/2/07, Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 31 Dec 2006, at 03:29, Joe Landman wrote: >> From my previous email on C::P::FormBuilder until now, I have been > reading and playi

Re: [Catalyst] IMPORTANT: Catalyst::Plugin::FormBuilder obsoleted by ::Controller::FormBuilder

2007-01-02 Thread Matt S Trout
On 31 Dec 2006, at 03:29, Joe Landman wrote: From my previous email on C::P::FormBuilder until now, I have been reading and playing with the code. I found a new controller, Catalyst::Controller::FormBuilder (http://search.cpan.org/~jcamacho/Catalyst-Controller- FormBuilder-0.02/lib/Catalyst/