Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-05 Thread Daniel McBrearty
to run an individual test : perl -Ilib t/some_test_module.t On 12/5/06, Dave Howorth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Octavian Rasnita wrote: > Yesterday I have installed Catalyst and Task::Catalyst under Linux, using > the CPAN shell. > The process gave many errors, but they disappeared beeing rep

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Howorth
Octavian Rasnita wrote: > Yesterday I have installed Catalyst and Task::Catalyst under Linux, using > the CPAN shell. > The process gave many errors, but they disappeared beeing replaced by the > new lines printed, so I don't know how to find them. > I have tried "install Catalyst" again, thinking

RE: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance/LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Hermida, Leandro
> Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 12/4/06, Hermida, Leandro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think it is possible to achieve both flexibilty and achieveability >> in the same framework. Catalyst can be "a pre-packaged framework that >> just works" with a l

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior wrote: > On 12/4/06, Octavian Rasnita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes of course, but if thinking this way, PHP could be considered not very >> successfully, because it is not an extraordinary language, however, it is >> used in much more web sites than perl, and so

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior
On 12/4/06, Hermida, Leandro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it is possible to achieve both flexibilty and achieveability in the same framework. Catalyst can be "a pre-packaged framework that just works" with a low cost of entry while still providing flexbility to advanced users needing more

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior
On 12/4/06, Octavian Rasnita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes of course, but if thinking this way, PHP could be considered not very successfully, because it is not an extraordinary language, however, it is used in much more web sites than perl, and some big sites like Yahoo also use it. PHP is ve

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Wade . Stuart
"Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/04/2006 07:52:40 AM: > On 12/4/06, Octavian Rasnita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And I said that there is no de facto standard, because there isn't one > > generally accepted. > > There's a defacto standard for writing Cataly

RE: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Hermida, Leandro
> And those other languages probably also have choices > between templating systems or ORMs. The thing that > actually makes Rails so successful is the fact that > it has everything already sorted out. You can't really > learn Rails without using ActiveRecord for instance. > > If the newbie g

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Octavian Rasnita
This whole conversation boils down to what are the aims of Catalyst as an open source project. In order to gain popularity there should be less focus on flexibility and more focus on "achievability". However, in most serious developments this won't help much, it'd just be a lot of work and the onl

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Daniel McBrearty
"In order to gain popularity there should be less focus on flexibility and more focus on "achievability". However, in most serious developments this won't help much, it'd just be a lot of work and the only benefits might be a dozen new users - there would be no real benefits for the existing users

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior
On 12/4/06, Octavian Rasnita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And I said that there is no de facto standard, because there isn't one generally accepted. There's a defacto standard for writing Catalyst applications. The Catalyst users have an opinion, the CGI::App might have another one, the Mason u

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-04 Thread Octavian Rasnita
> This immediately brought to mind what I think is wrong (or I guess some > people would say is right) with CPAN in regards to our discussion here. > We want to make the Perl community bigger and better and that means we > need to bring programmers to Perl, right? Well CPAN is one of the great >

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
Honestly, your tackling this problem from a very ackward POV. When I had no clue about Catalyst I sure had difficulties and so on but they were primarily TT and DBIC issues. Catalyst itself always seemed pretty intuitive to me. There's something in your questioning that sets you appart from the r

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-03 Thread Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior
On 12/2/06, Octavian Rasnita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have seen that your example modifies the root controller, so this convince me that this is not a tutorial for beginners. The beginners should start learning to use Catalyst, without SVN, with its default ways of doing things, without other

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: Kieren Diment > I wrote the svn section to remind myself of the various stuff that you have to do to when setting up a new project - mainly because I do lots of small coding projects and can never remember what to do. > As far as the root controller goes, that's almost always going

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-03 Thread Kieren Diment
On 03/12/06, Octavian Rasnita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *From:* Kieren Diment <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Any chance you could comment on: http://www.catalystframework.org/calendar/2006/1 and suggest further improvements? Well, I can't suggest for improvements, because that tutorial is not for

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-03 Thread Jonathan Rockway
On Saturday 02 December 2006 13:34, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > If Catalyst requires knowing how to use other modules it is all right, > but in that case the Catalyst manual should specify that very clearly. It > should say something like: > "If you want to use Catalyst, you should first know DBI

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: Kieren Diment > Any chance you could comment on: http://www.catalystframework.org/calendar/2006/1 and suggest further improvements? Well, I can't suggest for improvements, because that tutorial is not for a beginner and that's where I am. :-) It is a fine tutorial for someone

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Last Chance / LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

2006-12-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: vb > don't know anything? > I think the Catalyst *and* perl is not for beginners (see PHP for those) - or redefine: > beginner:: a person with good background, and with good background in programming > (including a independent experience in creation of a onorable application)