Re: [ccp4bb] Reason for Neglected X-ray Fluorescence

2009-04-23 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Am 23.04.2009 um 02:31 schrieb James Holton: Fluorescent x-rays have a VERY different wavelength from the incident beam and therefore cannot interact coherently with Bragg- scattered photons, so they contribute to nothing but background. Fluorescence is also a true absorption-reemission

[ccp4bb] protein purity in SAXS

2009-04-23 Thread Li Sheng
Dear all, Is there anyone with experience in small angle x-ray scattering? Could anyone please tell me the requirements for protein sample purity and concentration? Thanx in advance. Sincerely, Li __ Email:s...@sibs.ac.cn Institute of Biochemistry and

Re: [ccp4bb] protein purity in SAXS

2009-04-23 Thread Marjolein Thunnissen
If you go to this web-page: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/ExternalInfo/Research/Sax/user_info.html there is ashort summary of the requirements for a SAXS experiment. Shortly the sample needs to be monodisperse (90%) and you will need a range of concentrations roughly from 0.5/1.0mg/ml to 10mg/ml

Re: [ccp4bb] protein purity in SAXS

2009-04-23 Thread Isabelle Billas Massobrio
Dear Li, the samples should be devoid of aggregates, at least for the low concentration samples. Some aggregation can be tolerated at the higher concentrations. You should in principle measure samples with different concentrations, such as 1, 2, 5,10 mg/mL. The high concentration measurements

Re: [ccp4bb] Reason for Neglected X-ray Fluorescence

2009-04-23 Thread Marc SCHILTZ
James Holton wrote: marc.schi...@epfl.ch wrote: The elastically scattered photons (which make up the Bragg peaks) also do not not retain the momentum of the incident photon. Although technically true to say that photons traveling in different directions have different momenta, all

Re: [ccp4bb] protein purity in SAXS

2009-04-23 Thread Marco Mazzorana
Dear Li, as pointed out by Marjolein the sample must be MONODISPERSE, rather than just pure. This means it should be checked not only by SDS-PAGE but at least by size exclusion chromatography, and be sure that monodispersity is maintained till the moment of measurements. I guess your plans

Re: [ccp4bb] protein purity in SAXS

2009-04-23 Thread Angela Criswell
Dear Li, The SIBYLS Beamline web page has useful sample prep information at http://bl1231.als.lbl.gov/saxs_protocols/index.php. They also have a link to a very good SAXS review article. Cheers, Angela Li Sheng biol...@gmail.com Sent by: CCP4 bulletin board CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 04/23/2009

Re: [ccp4bb] Reason for Neglected X-ray Fluorescence

2009-04-23 Thread Marc SCHILTZ
For those who are still following this discussion... Following a comment by James, I clarify my previous statement about the limiting case when the total mass of the crystal is very large with respect to the mass of one photon I meant of course the relativistic mass of one photon [which is

Re: [ccp4bb] Jeffamine M-600 pHing recipe

2009-04-23 Thread Annie Hassell
Jacob-- We pH'd Jeffamines with concentrated HCl in the hood, but I do not recall how much HCl we had to add to get to neutral pH. Nasty stuff. You might want to contact Bob Cudney at Hampton Research for details since they sell these reagents. HTH! annie Annie Hassell Glaxo Smithkline

[ccp4bb] Jeffamine M-600 pHing recipe

2009-04-23 Thread Jacob Keller
Hello All, Bob Cudney sent me the email below (forwarded with permission), in which good instructions are given for the pHing process. Use it in good health. JPK *** Jacob Pearson Keller Northwestern University Medical Scientist Training Program Dallos

[ccp4bb] H3 to 2.0A but low observations:parameter ratio

2009-04-23 Thread Francis E Reyes
All It seems I have a case where I have 5595 reflections but my protein is about 102 residues. With a mean atom / residue * 4 parameters for each atom I get about 7833 parameters. So it seems that I have a observation : parameter ratio 1. There is only 1 molecular per asu so there's no

Re: [ccp4bb] H3 to 2.0A but low observations:parameter ratio

2009-04-23 Thread Pavel Afonine
Use less parameters: - TLS or group iso ADP with one-two ADP per residue (or better both, as available in phenix.refine); - torsion angle space instead of individual xyz; ... Pavel. On 4/23/09 2:54 PM, Francis E Reyes wrote: All It seems I have a case where I have 5595 reflections but my

Re: [ccp4bb] H3 to 2.0A but low observations:parameter ratio

2009-04-23 Thread Nathaniel Echols
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Francis E Reyes francis.re...@colorado.edu wrote: It seems I have a case where I have 5595 reflections but my protein is about 102 residues. With a mean atom / residue * 4 parameters for each atom I get about 7833 parameters. So it seems that I have a

Re: [ccp4bb] H3 to 2.0A but low observations:parameter ratio

2009-04-23 Thread Alejandro Buschiazzo
Francis, of course don't know about your sequence, but one normally uses 7-8 atoms (non-H) per residue...so I tend to think you'll end up with 3000 parameters (of course if you decide to refine individual B-factors, which would typically make sense for a 2.0A res data set...) (and then of

Re: [ccp4bb] protein purity in SAXS

2009-04-23 Thread Ho-Leung Ng
Since the SAXS signal comes from the size of your scattering particles, make sure you don't have large non-protein particles in your sample (dust or micelles, for example). The SIBYLS web site has additional warnings about including detergents in your sample. ho UC Berkeley

Re: [ccp4bb] H3 to 2.0A but low observations:parameter ratio

2009-04-23 Thread Bart Hazes
Hi Francis, The asymmetric unit volume is approximately proportional to the number of atoms in your model, the basis for Vm, with some variation due to solvent content. In turn the number of unique observations at a given resolution is proportional to asymmetric unit volume. So twice the

Re: [ccp4bb] Reason for Neglected X-ray Fluorescence

2009-04-23 Thread James Holton
Dirk Kostrewa wrote: yes, this is certainly true for real fluorescence effects. But the anomalous scattering can be best thought of as a resonance phenomenon without any frequency change, and as such, it has a distinct phase relationship to the elastically scattered photon and does have an

Re: [ccp4bb] protein purity in SAXS

2009-04-23 Thread Eddie Snell
Dear Li, In regards to concentration ideally you should do a concentration series and from that perform a zero concentration extrapolation. Typically we've had success with a 1-10 mg/ml series and 1.5-3 s exposures at SSRL but it's going to be dependent on molecular weight. You should monitor

[ccp4bb] Cryo-protectant

2009-04-23 Thread Liew Chong Wai
Hi all, Good day I used MPD as a cryoprotectant (20%, 30%) for my crystal. However, there is no diffraction signal at all. Without the MPD cryo, i still manage to get 5angstrom, but it has very strong ice-ring signal. I used glycerol (15%, 20%, 25% and 30%) before, but it cracked the

[ccp4bb] 答复: [ccp4bb] Cryo-protectant

2009-04-23 Thread Li Sheng
Hi Liew, Have you ever tried paratone or some other oil? Sincerely, Li __ Email:s...@sibs.ac.cn Institute of Biochemistry and Cell Biology Institutes for Biological Sciences Chinese Academy of Sciences 320 Yue-Yang Road, Shanghai