Re: [ccp4bb] Rsym problems...maybe???

2010-04-23 Thread Poul Nissen
I very much agree - refinement will tell you if the high-res data make sense. Another very good test is the Wilson plot - it should look straight and reasonable. Inflated I/sigI values will not escape a strange appearance such as the WIlson plot flattening out at higher resolution. I

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-23 Thread Thomas Lütteke
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:13:40 -0700, tirumal ch_tiru...@yahoo.com wrote: If you have a poor density (which I guess, generally is the case for large glycoprotein structures) you have to depend on trial and error strategy to get the right NAG conformation. I don't know how other refinement

Re: [ccp4bb] Rsym problems...maybe???

2010-04-23 Thread Peter Artymiuk
I'd worry a bit. If the data are strong and the R factor is that bad you may have got your space group wrong (pseudo, not crystallographic 4 fold?) Pete Artymiuk On 22 Apr 2010, at 18:22, Frank von Delft wrote: Yeah, stop worrying! Your I/sdI is all that matters. phx On 22/04/2010

Re: [ccp4bb] Setting Microbatch trays !!

2010-04-23 Thread Emmanuel Saridakis
Dear Rashmi, The original standard for microbatch crystallisation is paraffin oil (from Sigma or elsewhere). Drops set under paraffin oil lose almost no water, so it works like a well-sealed batch experiment, in other words you need to have your conditions right and you do get crystals.

Re: [ccp4bb] degradation of protein durring freez thaw

2010-04-23 Thread Frank Niesen
An aspect that is sometimes overlooked is that the need to avoid mini freeze-thaw cycles does not only call for a quick, snap-freeze process for samples (in thin-walled PCR tube and not too large volume; 50-100 ul I'd recommend), but - in turn - also for quick thawing: I prefer holding the PCR

[ccp4bb] Fw: [ccp4bb] degradation of protein durring freez thaw

2010-04-23 Thread MARTYN SYMMONS
Sounds like good advice - I suppose that since pure water un-freezes last, you could have protein concentration inhomogeneities? So in areas where the protein concentration is raised it could start to feel like crashing out. All the best Martyn Martyn Symmons Cambridge - Original

[ccp4bb] phenix error message

2010-04-23 Thread Tim Gruene
Hello, we are using the latex phenix version (1.6.1) on PCs with Debain Stable or Testing. After starting a refinement job, the following error message shows up: snip 8 -- A Python error was detected. This is probably a bug; click OK to send a bug report to the PHENIX

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix error message

2010-04-23 Thread Tim Gruene
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 01:12:36PM +0200, Tim Gruene wrote: Hello, we are using the latex phenix version (1.6.1) on PCs with Debain Stable or Sorry, I meant 'latest' version, in case this causes confusion... Testing. After starting a refinement job, the following error message shows up:

Re: [ccp4bb] how to make cholesterol solution

2010-04-23 Thread Jose Antonio Cuesta Seijo
An alternative could be to disolve your cholesterol in methanol or maybe in 50% methanol, then add it directly to the drop. Does your protein tolerate 10-20% methanol? Then you can add the methanol-cholesterol solution you your hanging drops directly and mix fast. The methanol is volatile and will

[ccp4bb] MacBookPro problems

2010-04-23 Thread Joachim Reichelt
Dear all, I just got a MacBookPro. I have two questions: How to get the keyboard shortcuts in coot or pymol up, e.g. altF to open the file dialog. and whenever I connect a zalman 220 (stereo ready) monitor to the mac using a miniDisplayPort to DVI adapter, the monitor is not recognized and so

[ccp4bb] Protein/DNA complex in Buccaneer

2010-04-23 Thread Kyle Dolan
Hello, I am trying to use Buccaneer to improve the model of a protein/DNA complex which I solved recently. However, my initial attempt failed because the program deleted the DNA chains and rebuilt protein chains in their density. Is there a way to specify that the expected outcome should contain

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein/DNA complex in Buccaneer

2010-04-23 Thread Kevin Cowtan
Yes, this can be done, but you need buccaneer 1.4, which I haven't released yet. We've seen significant benefits to preserving the heavy atoms through to the refinement, although the code has been written so that it can preserve DNA or any other know structure features as well. I'll try and

Re: [ccp4bb] MacBookPro problems

2010-04-23 Thread Phil Evans
I'm using a MacbookPro with a Zalman monitor with a DVI to DVI connector (an older MBP with a DVI port), and it works fine with no problems - not much help to you though and altF works for me Phil On 23 Apr 2010, at 14:37, Joachim Reichelt wrote: Dear all, I just got a MacBookPro. I

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix error message

2010-04-23 Thread Nathaniel Echols
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: we are using the latex phenix version (1.6.1) on PCs with Debain Stable or Testing. After starting a refinement job, the following error message shows up: Tim: please report these errors to either

[ccp4bb] Biobar 2.0.1

2010-04-23 Thread Jawahar Swaminathan
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Re: [ccp4bb] Biobar 2.0.1

2010-04-23 Thread Jayashankar
Very much appreciable. thanks S.Jayashankar Research Student Institute for Biophysical Chemistry Hannover Medical School Germany. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Jawahar Swaminathan jawa...@ebi.ac.ukwrote: Biobar version 2.0.1 is now available. Biobar is a powerful browsing and searching

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix error message

2010-04-23 Thread Tim Gruene
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 07:20:15AM -0700, Nathaniel Echols wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: we are using the latex phenix version (1.6.1) on PCs with Debain Stable or Testing. After starting a refinement job, the following error message

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix error message

2010-04-23 Thread Pavel Afonine
On 4/23/10 8:14 AM, Tim Gruene wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 07:20:15AM -0700, Nathaniel Echols wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: we are using the latex phenix version (1.6.1) on PCs with Debain Stable or Testing. After starting a

Re: [ccp4bb] MacBookPro problems

2010-04-23 Thread Jürgen Bosch
Yeah, send your Zalman vendor a nice email and let them exchange your DVI adapter. Had that problem too - alternatively you can scavenge one DVI adapter from another computer and test it. I wouldn't be surprised if it works, that's how I figured it out. Jürgen On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:37 AM,

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix error message

2010-04-23 Thread Tim Gruene
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 08:23:30AM -0700, Pavel Afonine wrote: On 4/23/10 8:14 AM, Tim Gruene wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 07:20:15AM -0700, Nathaniel Echols wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: we are using the latex phenix

[ccp4bb] Substitute for Lithium Sulfate

2010-04-23 Thread Yi-Liang Liu
Hi Everyone, I have a question about the crystallization condition. Currently the condition I use contains 0.2M lithium sulfate. However, the ligand there seems to compete the site where sulfate binds in the active site. Are there any good substitute to replace the Lithium sulfate in my

[ccp4bb] Adding TER card in PDB file

2010-04-23 Thread Mike England
Hi all, I will greatly appreciate your help for the following: I am getting an error of not having TER card at the end of chain during precheck of PDB deposition. Hence, I would like to add TER card at the end of chain in my PDB file. Adding TER card manually is not problem but how to add Atom

Re: [ccp4bb] Substitute for Lithium Sulfate

2010-04-23 Thread Jim Pflugrath
I would test several hypotheses. You have a multitude of salts to choose from. Test them all. Let me ask you this: What anions can you test? What's already on your shelf of chemicals? What did you test already? Jim _ From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On

Re: [ccp4bb] Adding TER card in PDB file

2010-04-23 Thread Tim Gruene
You can do it with any text editor. From $CCP4/html/pdbformat.html#part1ter: Cols. 1-3Record name TER 7-11Serial number 18-20 Residue name 21-27 Sequence identifier So you copy the serial number, residue name and sequence identifier from the very line which

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
You may be using output reflection data from the previous cycle of refinement for the next session. After twin refinement output Fobs (confusingly) may be detwinned. You can try to use original reflection data file (e.g. after scala/truncate/freerflag) and for refinement and it may

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
And another (not so) minor point: Defferences between R/Rfree with twin on and off suggest that there is strong correlation between twin and NCS. For this cases better dealt with if you use twin refinement with sufficiently strong NCS restraints. In new refmac (www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-23 Thread Jon Schuermann
Hari, What twin tests have you run? Results? If your data really is P43212 and you drop to P212121 you will still have the additional two-fold operator in your data. An operator is a mathematical operator, which could be crystallographic or twin. I never refine a structure with twin

[ccp4bb] YATQ (yet another twinning question) - may involve pirates

2010-04-23 Thread Ethan Merritt
In a nutshell = Is there a way to make solve/resolve behave reasonably if the data is twinned? Is there a recommended alternative path to clean up and maybe even auto-trace a map with 4-fold NCS but twinned data? Maybe Pirate/Buccaneer? In detail = I'm fighting

Re: [ccp4bb] YATQ (yet another twinning question) - may involve pirates

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
I hope Kevin will respond soon. I think he has done (or is planning to do) to twinning and ncs in his pipeline of model building. I think something like that may already be in new ARP/wARP (Victor and Tasos will correct me if I am wrong) regards Garib On 23 Apr 2010, at 23:16, Ethan Merritt

Re: [ccp4bb] YATQ (yet another twinning question) - may involve pirates

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
I am getting in habit of writing double emails. I would say that refmac overestimates at early stages and truncate underestimates (it is just an intuition, not based on theoretical or empriical results) Garib On 23 Apr 2010, at 23:16, Ethan Merritt wrote: In a nutshell =

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-23 Thread hari jayaram
Hello Garib, I was using the ouput from a refmac run for the next round and using what I thought were the original fobs . So I guess as you said at each round I was using the de-twinned result from the previous round. I will repeat these refinements with the original scala output mtz to get a

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
I think your procedure is good with current technology. At early stages twin refinement may give misleading results. An intuitive resoning for low R factor would be: Twin is summation of intensities. As you sum intensities two things happen: 1) distribution of intensities become more