Re: [ccp4bb] Alignment software

2010-05-26 Thread Joel Guenther
Hi all. I'm rather surprised that Jalview has yet to be mentioned: http://www.jalview.org/ Although I've heard that ESPript can make the best looking figures, Jalview is also capable of generating very beautiful output, and I've found it reasonably intuitive and plenty powerful. I'm not fond of

Re: [ccp4bb] how to read the ascii map converted by MAPTONA4 and MAPEXCHANGE

2010-05-26 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Dear James: This is really the easiest and a very smart way to get around this problem. I generated a PDB only only my interest region, which serves to produce a mask encomprassing only this region. The last "Total" line in the output should be it. Everything is cool except that some terminal resi

Re: [ccp4bb] how to read the ascii map converted by MAPTONA4 and MAPEXCHANGE

2010-05-26 Thread James Holton
The easiest thing to do is to make a PDB file that contains ONLY the residues you are interested in and set all the residue numbers to "1". Use this PDB file to calculate the "MODE ATMMAP" and the "MODE ATMMAP RESMOD" maps with SFALL. Then OVERLAPMAP (in "correlate residue" mode) will give yo

Re: [ccp4bb] How large should the real space correlation coefficient be?

2010-05-26 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi Pavel: This is actually something I am doing right now. Yes, sometimes it is always better to try it practically. Best Regards, Hailiang > Hi Hailiang, > > On 5/25/10 8:14 PM, Hailiang Zhang wrote: >> Have seen the real-space correlation used widely judging the map >> quality. >> Generally or

Re: [ccp4bb] how to read the ascii map converted by MAPTONA4 and MAPEXCHANGE

2010-05-26 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi James: Actually I did OVERLAPMAP calculation in this way. I first flagged the map grid points by using the provided pdb information, which serves as "mapin3" for the OVERLAPMAP calculation. However, the calculated CCs or RSRs are either based on each individual atom, residue or map section, but

Re: [ccp4bb] How large should the real space correlation coefficient be?

2010-05-26 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Hailiang, On 5/25/10 8:14 PM, Hailiang Zhang wrote: Have seen the real-space correlation used widely judging the map quality. Generally or empirically, in order to say an map (area) has "good" quality, how large should the real space correlation coefficient be? Say, is 0.8 good enough on a re

Re: [ccp4bb] how to read the ascii map converted by MAPTONA4 and MAPEXCHANGE

2010-05-26 Thread James Holton
OVERLAPMAP will do this, but you need to calculate a "label map" with SFALL first and provide that to OVERLAPMAP as "mapin3", as MW and others have pointed out already. RTFM: http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/overlapmap.html#notes_mapin3 http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/sfall.html#mode_atmmap_resm

Re: [ccp4bb] How to calculate real-space CC by section?

2010-05-26 Thread James Holton
Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi Eleanor: Do you have some references in mind that discussed the value of CC (say 0.5) to be able to build the structure? Didn't find one for right now:-( Lunin and Woolfson, (1993) http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?he0076

Re: [ccp4bb] How to calculate real-space CC by section?

2010-05-26 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi Eleanor: Do you have some references in mind that discussed the value of CC (say >0.5) to be able to build the structure? Didn't find one for right now:-( By the way, probably a "weak" question, In the case "a lousy model will give poor CCs even if the map is brilliant", we still accept this m

Re: [ccp4bb] how to read the ascii map converted by MAPTONA4 and MAPEXCHANGE

2010-05-26 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Dear Eleanor: Yes, this is something I want to do (RSR and CC). But I just want to do the calculation based on a group of residues or atoms, and it seems OVERLAPMAP doesn't do it, so I think I have to find other ways. Hailiang > mapdump does this if you select the right flags. But as Ian says yo

Re: [ccp4bb] How to calculate real-space CC by section?

2010-05-26 Thread Hailiang Zhang
I see. It is like the CC for each "slide" along the Z direction. But, do you know does CCP4, or any other programs, calculate CC for a group of residues at all? Thanks! Hailiang > You might find some useful examples in $CCP4/examples/unix/runnable > OVERLAPMAP is used in mapcorrelation_procedure

Re: [ccp4bb] voltage gated Na channel

2010-05-26 Thread Filip Van Petegem
Dear Rex, It might still be while before a structure of a full-length voltage-gated sodium channel (or voltage-gated calcium channel) comes along. Keep an eye on the NaChBac channel (originating from Bacillus species), as this prokaryotic sodium-selective channel will likely be the first to repre

[ccp4bb] Protein-DNA complex crystallisation

2010-05-26 Thread Jhon Thomas
Hello all I am novice to this field and trying to crystallize a protein-protein complex verses DNA i.e a ternary complex of protein complex and DNA, which stochiometry is 2:!. I am wondering 1-what should be the DNA and protein ratio for the ternary complex like this typically for binary complex i

Re: [ccp4bb] BSA

2010-05-26 Thread Eugene Krissinel
PISA's interface area is 1/2 of sum BSAs for the interfacing structures. If you go to interface details, you also get total area of structures and their individual BSAs. The latter I should think would be an overinterpretation if used. Eugene. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Sollepura Yogesha

Re: [ccp4bb] BSA

2010-05-26 Thread Ed Pozharski
You should take a look at DIFFMODE COMPARE keyword in AREAIMOL manual, it allows for buried surface area calculation (you have to prepare the two pdb files with complex and receptor only). If you can easily use command line and scripts (i.e. you are running CCP4 on non-micro$oft OS), try the follo

[ccp4bb] BSA

2010-05-26 Thread Sollepura Yogesha
Dear All, I am trying to calculate BSA (Buried surface area) for a protein complex. I am using CCP4 AreaIMol. I used Accessible surface area module and calculate areas for " protein atoms only" I know that the buried surface area (BSA) can be calculated as: BSA = ASA(A) + ASA(B) - ASA(AB)

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Based Sequence Alignment

2010-05-26 Thread Eugene Krissinel
I believe SSM does just that: http://www.ebi.ac.uk/msd-srv/ssm/ Eugene On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Muhammed bashir Khan wrote: > Dear All; > > Can some body tell me a website for structure based sequence alignment, > which can also pin point the similar and identical residues in different

[ccp4bb] voltage gated Na channel

2010-05-26 Thread Rex Palmer
Does anyone know of the existence of a structure for a voltage gated Na (not K) channel? Rex Palmer Birkbeck College, London

Re: [ccp4bb] How to calculate real-space CC by section?

2010-05-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you ask for CORR SECTion then overlapmap does just that - the CC will have a certain value for each section regardless of the CHAIN parameters. If you want correlation residue by residue you must ask for CORR RESI As someone said - a lousy model will give poor CCs even if the map is brilli

Re: [ccp4bb] how to read the ascii map converted by MAPTONA4 and MAPEXCHANGE

2010-05-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
mapdump does this if you select the right flags. But as Ian says you will get a LOT of numbers. You dont say why you want this information, but if it is to find the electron density at an atom site overlapmap will do that if you ask for "real space rfactor" eleanor Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi,

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Based Sequence Alignment

2010-05-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Muhammed bashir Khan wrote: Dear All; Can some body tell me a website for structure based sequence alignment, which can also pin point the similar and identical residues in different colors. regards Bashir PISA does just this - go to the ebi web site and select pisa

Re: [ccp4bb] How to calculate real-space CC by section?

2010-05-26 Thread Martyn Winn
You might find some useful examples in $CCP4/examples/unix/runnable OVERLAPMAP is used in mapcorrelation_procedures, overlapmap.exam, waterpeaks. As I understand it, CORR SECT does a map correlation by map section, so you get a single CC value per map section. This mode does not use MAPIN3, and do

Re: [ccp4bb] Alignment software

2010-05-26 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato
Thanks Roger, that worked perfectly! I'll try and have fun with aline now. ciao, s On May 25, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Roger Dodd wrote: > Hi there, > > I just got this working a couple of days ago under Mac OS X 10.6.3. I > manually compiled and installed Perl-Tk from CPAN. Steps taken: > > 1. Down

Re: [ccp4bb] Alignment software

2010-05-26 Thread Roberto Mosca
Another tool you can use is RAPIDO (http://webapps.embl-hamburg.de/rapido). It identifies rigid bodies between the two structures and already produces pyMol scripts for the superposition both on the entire structure and on the single rigid bodies. A more complete list of the tools you can use c

Re: [ccp4bb] Alignment software

2010-05-26 Thread Thomas Juettemann
Another alignment tool worth to keep an eye on is this one: http://foldit.wikia.com/wiki/Alignment_Tool They are still debugging, but the plan is to release a standalone version after CASP9. Or at least a version that runs in a standalone FoldIt version. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 15:18, Victor A