[ccp4bb] local copy of wiki

2010-08-20 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear all, is there a simple way for a local installation of a wiki (in particular the pymol wiki)? Our working network is physically separated from the internet and going back and forth between computers just to look up a single command is rather time consuming. Thanks a lot, Tim P.S.: I am

Re: [ccp4bb] local copy of wiki

2010-08-20 Thread Roger Dodd
(just forwarding this to the list...) Dear Tim, I think it may be possible, though rather long-winded to do. First of all, you'll need a working installation of mediawiki. My suggestion to get this would be to download one of the self-contained installations available from bitnami:

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Pu Obviously your SAD SIRAS solutions can't both be right, one must have the inverted handedness: I would guess it's the SIRAS solution that's wrong, since the SAD solution seems to have given you an interpretable map. The reason for getting the wrong hand in the SIRAS case is probably that

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Maybe I need to elaborate on Ian's answer. SHELXD or other heavy atom location programs based on Patterson and direct methods have a 50% chance of getting either heavy atom enantiomorph, and in addition different solutions may be related by allowed shifts of the cell origin (8 in P212121).

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread Pu Gao
Dear Pro. George, Many thanks for your detailed and clear exposition, which gives me a more clear idea about this question (Although I still don't really understand the basc mathematic things behind it). I rechecked the sharp logs, and found that the original SAD sites were wrong, which

[ccp4bb] PHASER in P1

2010-08-20 Thread Ray Brown
Hi all, I am trying to use PHASER in space group P1. I has expected that PHASER would have centered the first protein molecule or at least placed an atom at the origin of the P1 unit cell. Is this how PHASER works or am I mistaken? Thanks for your help. Ray ray-br...@att.net

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread Jacob Keller
MAD and SIRAS will in general behave like SAD. However if your isomorphous difference is large and the anomalous signal is lost in the noise, they might be dominated by it and so tend to behave more like SIR. I thought that MAD and SIRAS had no hand ambiguity--not true? Jacob Keller

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Not true. For MAD and SIRAS you still have to try both hands of the heavy atom substructure (unless the heavy atom arrangement is itself centrosymmetric, then both hands are correct). Maybe I should also mention for completeness, that for the space groups I41, I4122 and F4122 the heavy atoms

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Dear Pu, sorry for the long(ish) answer ... handedness/enantiomorph, heavy atom sites and consistency (while using SHARP/autoSHARP) are just one of my favourites ;-) On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 01:39:58PM +0100, Pu Gao wrote: I rechecked the sharp logs, and found that the original SAD sites were

[ccp4bb] CCP4MG in Windows7

2010-08-20 Thread John R Helliwell
Dear Colleagues, Has anyone experienced difficulty in installing CCP4MG (2.4.1) with Windows7? The symptoms when I try to use it, after an apparently ok installation, are:- The tool bar remains as feint text but still allows a drop down menu. Then trying to open a coordinate file (either from a

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread Pu Gao
Dear all, My case seems to have two factors: 1. origin choice. and 2. handedness/enantiomorph. And this kind of problem seems to be very common during the experimental phasing process. And I learned a lot informations both theoretical and practical from your replies. Many thanks for all

Re: [ccp4bb] atomic B factors

2010-08-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
That must be a bug.. 2.00 is the lowest value permitted . Possble causes: You have very low resolution data, and the overall B value is badly estimated (not very common) common cause: you have done TLS refinement which reports b value differences from the TLS derived values. If you start

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Pu, If I may add a few remarks those already made by George and Clemens, I would say that you cannot expect two heavy atom solutions obtained in separate runs of SHELXD (or any other substructure solution program) from two distinct sets of differences to be consistent with each other in

Re: [ccp4bb] local copy of wiki

2010-08-20 Thread Jason Vertrees
Tim, In general, the best way to go is to contact the owner and ask for an SQL dump. It'll save far more time and frustration than scraping the wiki. You can then use mysqlimport to import the dump into your system. After that, copy the media files over and you should be set. Make sure you

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?

2010-08-20 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Dear Eleanor at al, On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 05:20:05PM +0100, Eleanor Dodson wrote: There is quite a lot of background to these Qs in a variwty of text books, and something on this website. http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/pxmaths/index.html Nice page :-) When changing hand you need to

[ccp4bb] rigorously compatible coordinate files

2010-08-20 Thread Charles W. Carter, Jr
Is there a program that will read in a pdb coordinate file and re-order the side chain atoms in each residue according to a standard order? I've a program that compares two files for the same structure, but requires that the order of the atoms be the same in both cases. I'm using a variety of

Re: [ccp4bb] atomic B factors

2010-08-20 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 20 August 2010 08:53:23 am Eleanor Dodson wrote: That must be a bug.. 2.00 is the lowest value permitted . Possble causes: You have very low resolution data, and the overall B value is badly estimated (not very common) common cause: you have done TLS refinement which reports

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites?- Only them?

2010-08-20 Thread Felix Frolow
The present generation of high throughput structural biologists stays on the intellectual shoulders of the giants of crystallography from past days (modifying GOOGLE). In the military jargon, in the constant wars with the structures, situation described in this exchanges is called encounter.

Re: [ccp4bb] rigorously compatible coordinate files

2010-08-20 Thread Edward A. Berry
Ed Pozharski wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 18:50 +0200, Charles W. Carter, Jr wrote: Is there a program that will read in a pdb coordinate file and re-order the side chain atoms in each residue according to a standard order? I've a program that compares two files for the same structure, but

Re: [ccp4bb] rigorously compatible coordinate files

2010-08-20 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi Charlie, Are you sure refmac won't sort this out for you ? If you just read the odd file in and write it out doing zero cycles, won't the atoms be ordered in the pdb convention ? Or is it O that does the trick or CNS?   Cheers,                  Boaz - Original Message - From:

[ccp4bb] Ringer: A program to detect molecular motions by systematic X-ray electron-density sampling

2010-08-20 Thread Terry Lang
The Alber lab at UC Berkeley is pleased to release of the code for Ringer version 1.0 (http://ucxray.berkeley.edu/ringer.htm). Ringer is a program to detect molecular motions by systematic X-ray electron-density sampling. The aim of Ringer is to go beyond static structural snapshots of

[ccp4bb] OSX 10.6, Fink CCP4 install problem

2010-08-20 Thread David Shin
Hi - Got a new computer, was trying to install CCP4 following the Scott Lab page (64 bit install) - http://sage.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/64-bit_Fink_for_10.5_and_10.6 First had to install fink - tried to follow that page, but didn't have the cvs command (forgot about the xcode,

Re: [ccp4bb] OSX 10.6, Fink CCP4 install problem

2010-08-20 Thread William G. Scott
Hi David: I think you need to start with the pure 64-bit fink from cvs in order to get this to work. All the errors are a consequence of using the 32-bit version. You can't mix them. I have no idea why they still don't have a binary installer, but they don't. Email me directly if you need