Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Graeme Winter
HI James, Regarding the suggestion of lossy compression, it is really hard to comment without having a good idea of the real cost of doing this. So, I have a suggestion: - grab a bag of JCSG data sets, which we know should all be essentially OK. - you squash then unsquash them with your macguff

Re: [ccp4bb] weight matrix and R-FreeR gap optimization

2011-11-08 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi James, That is not exactly a lot of info to decide the best weight. The optimal weight is (very loosely) resolution dependent. At normal resolutions the optimal matrix weight is usually well below 1.0. Start at 0.3 and try a few weights to see what works best for your data. To close the R-fr

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi James, I see no real need for lossy compression datasets. They may be useful for demonstration purposes, and to follow synchrotron data collection remotely. But for processing I need the real data. It is my experience that structure solution, at least in the difficult cases, depends on squ

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Harry Powell
Hi > I am not a fan > of one-way computational processes with unique data. > > Thoughts anyone? > > Cheerio, > > Graeme I agree. Harry -- Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, MRC Centre, Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 0QH http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/crystallograp

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardía
Le 08/11/11 10:15, Kay Diederichs a écrit : > Hi James, > > I see no real need for lossy compression datasets. They may be useful > for demonstration purposes, and to follow synchrotron data collection > remotely. But for processing I need the real data. It is my experience > that structure soluti

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Herbert J. Bernstein
Um, but isn't Crystallograpy based on a series of one-way computational processes: photons -> images images -> {struture factors, symmetry} {structure factors, symmetry, chemistry} -> solution {structure factors, symmetry, chemistry, solution} -> refined solution At each stage w

Re: [ccp4bb] Installation of CCP4 under Windows 7

2011-11-08 Thread Robert Oeffner
Hi, I have encountered this problem with CCP4 6.2.0 as well as for the past few years. Whenever I run the CCP4 installer "for all users" on my Windows Vista PC as administrator it only creates desktop icons and startup menu item for the administrator account, not for other users. It appears th

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Graeme Winter
Dear Herbert, Sorry, the point I was getting at was that the process is one way, but if it is also *destructive* i.e. the original "master" is not available then I would not be happy. If the master copy of what was actually recorded is available from a tape someplace perhaps not all that quickly t

[ccp4bb] 4th Winter School on soft X-rays in Macromolecular Crystallography

2011-11-08 Thread Gordon Leonard
4th Winter School on soft X-rays in Macromolecular Crystallography   We are pleased to announce that the 4th Winter school on soft X-rays in Macromolecular Crystallography will take place at the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, Grenoble, France 6th – 8th February 2012.   An increasing nu

Re: [ccp4bb] Installation of CCP4 under Windows 7

2011-11-08 Thread Marcin Wojdyr
Hi, Thanks for listing all the problems. We are testing a new installer for Windows now. It's written from scratch (we switched from InstallShield to WiX) and if we don't find any issues with it we'll put it on ftp tomorrow. ActiveTcl should not be necessary with this and future versions. In Se

Re: [ccp4bb] weight matrix and R-FreeR gap optimization

2011-11-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
On 11/08/2011 05:39 AM, james09 pruza wrote: Dear ccp4bbers, I wonder if someone can help me defining proper weight matrix term in Refmac5 to lower the R-FreeR gap. The log file indicates weight matrix of 1.98 with a gap of 7. Thanks for suggestions in advance. James What is your resolution?

Re: [ccp4bb] weight matrix and R-FreeR gap optimization

2011-11-08 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
> What is your resolution? The gap is usually wider at lower resolution. Here a figure displaying distribution gap stats: http://www.ruppweb.org/garland/gallery/Ch12/pages/Biomolecular_Crystallograp hy_Fig_12-24.htm Cheers, BR -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@

[ccp4bb] phaser openmp

2011-11-08 Thread Ed Pozharski
Could anyone point me towards instructions on how to get/build parallelized phaser binary on linux? I searched around but so far found nothing. The latest updated phaser binary doesn't seem to be parallelized. Apologies if this has been resolved before - just point at the relevant thread, plea

[ccp4bb] Vacancy for Scientific Database Curator (Structural Biology) at the EBI

2011-11-08 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
Hi all, The UniProt (uniprot.org) team at the EBI (www.ebi.ac.uk) currently has a vacancy for a structural biology curator. From the job description: "The curator will be mainly involved with the collection, organisation and dissemination of data on biological macromolecular structures. (S)he

Re: [ccp4bb] phaser openmp

2011-11-08 Thread Dr G. Bunkoczi
Hi Ed, in the CCP4 distribution, openmp is not enabled by default, and there seems to be no easy way to enable it (i.e. by setting a flag at the configure stage). On the other hand, you can easily create a separate build for phaser that is openmp enabled and use phaser from there. To do this, cr

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread James Holton
At the risk of putting this thread back on-topic, my original question was not "should I just lossfully compress my images and throw away the originals". My question was: "would you download the compressed images first?" So far, noone has really answered it. I think it is obvious that of co

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Graeme Winter
Hi James, Fair enough. However I would still be quite interested to see how different the results are from the originals and the compressed versions. If the differences were pretty minor (i.e. not really noticeable) then I would certainly have a good look at the mp3 version. Also it would make m

Re: [ccp4bb] Archiving Images for PDB Depositions

2011-11-08 Thread Deacon, Ashley M.
All, We have been following the CCP4BB discussion with interest. As has been mentioned on several occasions, the JCSG has maintained, for several years now, an open archive of all diffraction datasets associated with our deposited structures. Overall this has been a highly positive experienc

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
Le 08/11/2011 19:19, James Holton a écrit : > At the risk of putting this thread back on-topic, my original question > was not "should I just lossfully compress my images and throw away the > originals". My question was: > > "would you download the compressed images first?" > > So far, noone ha

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread mjvdwoerd
Hmmm, so you would, when collecting large data images, say 4 images, 100MB in size, per second, in the middle of the night, from home, reject seeing compressed images on your data collection software, while the "real thing" is lingering behind somewhere, to be downloaded and stored later? As o

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
Le 08/11/2011 20:46, mjvdwo...@netscape.net a écrit : > Hmmm, so you would, when collecting large data images, say 4 images, > 100MB in size, per second, in the middle of the night, from home, reject > seeing compressed images on your data collection software, while the > "real thing" is lingering

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Phil Evans
It would be a good start to get all images written now with lossless compression, instead of the uncompressed images we still get from the ADSC detectors. Something that we've been promised for many years Phil

[ccp4bb] RFI on access to digital data

2011-11-08 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
Relevant to the discussion about archiving image data: http://federalregister.gov/a/2011-28621 --Gerard ** Gerard J. Kleywegt http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard mailto:ger...@xray.bmc.uu.se *

Re: [ccp4bb] phaser openmp

2011-11-08 Thread Francois Berenger
Hello, How faster is the OpenMP version of Phaser versus number of cores used? In the past I have been quite badly surprised by the no-acceleration I gained when using OpenMP with some of my programs... :( Regards, F. On 11/09/2011 02:59 AM, Dr G. Bunkoczi wrote: Hi Ed, in the CCP4 distribut

Re: [ccp4bb] phaser openmp

2011-11-08 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Francois Berenger wrote: > In the past I have been quite badly surprised by > the no-acceleration I gained when using OpenMP > with some of my programs... :( Amdahl's law is cruel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl's_law This is the same reason why GPU accelera

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread Herbert J. Bernstein
ADSC has been a leader in supporting compressed CBF's. = Herbert J. Bernstein Professor of Mathematics and Computer Science Dowling College, Kramer Science Center, KSC 121 Idle Hour Blvd, Oakdale, NY, 11769

Re: [ccp4bb] image compression

2011-11-08 Thread William G. Scott
The mp3/music analogy might be quite appropriate. On some commercial music download sites, there are several options for purchase, ranging from audiophool-grade 24-bit, 192kHz sampled music, to CD-quality (16-bit, 44.1kHz), to mp3 compression and various lossy bit-rates. I am told that the res

Re: [ccp4bb] phaser openmp

2011-11-08 Thread Ed Pozharski
See page 3 of this http://www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk/phaser/ccp4-sw2011.pdf On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 09:22 +0900, Francois Berenger wrote: > Hello, > > How faster is the OpenMP version of Phaser > versus number of cores used? > > In the past I have been quite badly surprised by > the no-accele