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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
I would serve as a second in this duel, but I
Hi
I'd second NX; you can install a free server for one or two (I think - I only
use one at a time ;-)) concurrent connections and a local client, then it's
almost like being there.
On 11 Apr 2013, at 22:54, Dyda wrote:
Or nx, which works very well, although the server has to be installed at
, 2013 11:25 AM
*To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
*Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both
engaged is this duel…
Drop you pistols or swords !
:-)
Dr Felix Frolow
Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM, James Holton jmhol...@lbl.gov wrote:
But, when it comes to GUIs, I have always found them counterproductive.
In my humble opinion, the purpose of computers and other machines is to DO
work for me, not create work for me, and I already have enough buttons to
I agree with Nat. There are good GUIs and bad GUIs, just like there are
good command-line programs and bad command-line programs. Bad programs
are easy to write and good ones are hard. Conservation of work I think.
-James Holton
MAD Scientist
On 4/12/2013 10:38 AM, Nat Echols wrote:
On
What, I'm afraid, people rarely realise these days, is that their desktops are,
essentially, GUIs to various OS features, so they obviously use GUI more
frequently than they think :) After all, this is all matter of habits and
training, and the reality is that people get more and more
On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:44 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
What, I'm afraid, people rarely realise these days, is that their desktops
are, essentially, GUIs to various OS features, so they obviously use GUI more
frequently than they think :) After all, this is all matter of habits and
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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM, James Holton jmhol...@lbl.gov wrote:
But, when it comes to GUIs, I have always found them counterproductive. In my humble opinion
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Boaz Shaanan
bshaa...@exchange.bgu.ac.ilwrote:
Whichever way the input file for the run is prepared (via GUI or command
line), anybody who doesn't inspect the log file at the end of the run is
doomed and bound to commit senseless errors. I was taught a long
On 04/12/2013 06:03 PM, Nat Echols wrote:
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Boaz Shaanan
bshaa...@exchange.bgu.ac.il mailto:bshaa...@exchange.bgu.ac.il wrote:
Whichever way the input file for the run is prepared (via GUI or
command line), anybody who doesn't inspect the log file at the
Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from
ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at
all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused
lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is.
Eugene
On 11 Apr
CCP4 has a GUI?
-James Holton
MAD Scientist
On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from
ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at
all ?:)). The name was changed because
That's really hard. Duel?
Eugene
On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote:
CCP4 has a GUI?
-James Holton
MAD Scientist
On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from
ccp4i, where nothing
Fight Fight Fight!
On Apr 11, 2013, at 5:46 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
That's really hard. Duel?
Eugene
On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote:
CCP4 has a GUI?
-James Holton
MAD Scientist
On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Sorry that
I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both engaged is
this duel…
Drop you pistols or swords !
:-)
Dr Felix Frolow
Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology, Department of Molecular
Microbiology and Biotechnology
Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel
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: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Felix Frolow
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both engaged
FYI
I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh
to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a
while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files
behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally,
run
On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk
eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from
ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at
all ?:)).
Scriptability.
On Apr 11, 2013,
Dear Dale,
From next CCP4 release (due soon), ccp4um will be runnable from command line
in automatic, non-graphical mode, fully cronable. I hope that that will give
you what you want. --check-silent is a special option for ccp4i, it only
checks for new updates but do not install them.
Best
In promise for next release.
On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:16, James Stroud wrote:
On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:17 AM,
eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk
eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is
Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to
find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line
version of CCP4um will be very useful.
Many thanks.
Tony.
Sent from my iPhone
On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:19, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk
In cases like this, a request at c...@stfc.ac.uk should be the way to go. CCP4
is a community resource and we are to listen and to do what's doable. We may
not do everything at once, but knowing what is required is vital for the
project.
Cheers,
Eugene
On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:22, Antony
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote:
Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to
find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command
line version of CCP4um will be very useful.
Another option for a set of
Perhaps there needs to be a separate update manager to manage updates to
the update manager:
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(from http://xkcd.com/1197/)
Cheers,
Richard
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Richard Gildea
Software Developer
Physical Biosciences Division
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
1 Cyclotron Rd
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Yep. I put all specialty lab software tools on a file server and mount it
on all workstations as /usr/local/xtal, a suggestion I think I
learned...here. There are few programs that can't be served this way. I
only have to update the server.
Roger Rowlett
On Apr 11, 2013 1:42 PM, Ethan Merritt
On 04/11/13 13:36, Ethan Merritt wrote:
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote:
Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to
find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line
version of CCP4um will be very
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 01:53:16 pm David Schuller wrote:
On 04/11/13 13:36, Ethan Merritt wrote:
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote:
Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying
to find a practical way of updating all those
On 11 Apr 2013, at 13:53, David Schuller dj...@cornell.edu wrote:
My method is to run the updater graphically on one machine, then spread it
around with rsync. Although being able to run it on the command line would
allow me to accomplish that from my own desk, without crossing campus to
Or nx, which works very well, although the server has to be installed at
the remote end and client on the local.
www.nomachine.com
Fred
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Fred Dyda, Ph.D. Phone:301-402-4496
Laboratory of
Hello All,
I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update
update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update?
James
No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update
descriptions, was it not?
Eugene
On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote:
Hello All,
I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update
update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not?There was only one mention of "ccp4um" that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020).
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