Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-17 Thread Young-Tae Lee
Check out also this paper. --- Comput Biol Chem. 2008 Oct;32(5):370-4. Epub 2008 Jul 7. Determination of helix orientations in proteins. Tatulian SA. Biomolecular Science Center, University of Central Florida, 12722 Research Parkway, Orlando, FL 32826, USA. statu...@mail.ucf.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread Leiman Petr
vectors! Honestly, Petr From: CCP4 bulletin board [ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of peter hudson [peter.hudson.pe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:38 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread James Stroud
On Apr 16, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Leiman Petr wrote: I am not sure if it possible to understand _anything_ in crystallography if it is not clear how to calculate an angle between two vectors! More difficult is deciding exactly how to define said vectors in the first place, especially when one

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread James Stroud
On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:29 AM, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 16, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Leiman Petr wrote: I am not sure if it possible to understand _anything_ in crystallography if it is not clear how to calculate an angle between two vectors! More difficult is deciding exactly how to define said

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread Phil Evans
I suspect that PCA will only give you a good estimate of the helix direction with a long helix. I've done it (less elegantly perhaps) by superimposing an ideal helix which has its axis along z, then extracting angles from the superposition matrix. However I'm afraid I've not packaged this

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread Charlie Bond
I've previously done it by using the centroids of the Calphas from the first 4 residues and last 4 residues of the helix to define the vector (7 residues might be better if the helix is long enough). It seemed to work well enough by eye. From then on it is simple vector algebra (google 'dot

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi, And if you want a simple and trivial awk script (based on that google'ing that Charlie described): save attached file in your path, make it executable and run it e.g. as % vecang 1.23 3.45 6.78 9.87 7.65 5.43 Cheers Clemens PS: sorry it isn't in python/scheme or something similarly

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread Christopher Colbert
What are you doing? Write this as an iPhone App! Charge $0.99 and you will be set! :-) Of course, I will need my $0.02 per App comission for giving the idea out. Thanks, Chris On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: Hi, And if you want a simple and trivial awk script (based on that

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread Bart Hazes
Leiman Petr wrote: Every other week this question comes up! This is Geometry 101 or beginner's geometry!!! http://www.euclideanspace.com/maths/algebra/vectors/angleBetween/index.htm I am not sure if it possible to understand _anything_ in crystallography if it is not clear how to calculate an

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-16 Thread Bernhard Rupp
I don't think many job interviews for **crystallographers** these days include a question on how to calculate the angle between two vectors. I'd change that to **Structural biologists**. If you call yourself a bona fide crystallographer, probably a good idea to have the basic math handy.

[ccp4bb] Calculation of angle between two helix of different subunits

2009-04-15 Thread peter hudson
Hello all I am interested to know about any programme which can calculate the angle between the helices of different subunit not the consecutive helices. I know about helixang which is a ccp4 supported programme but, i am not sure that does it calculate the relative angle between the two helix of