Re: [ccp4bb] Fab:antigen complex crystallization!!!

2011-07-29 Thread xaravich ivan
Thanks everyone, I got my crystals with PEG 8000 at first and after micro-seeding aith PEG 3350.Now I would work with all your suggestions and references with new vigor. ivan On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Patrick Shaw Stewart patr...@douglas.co.uk wrote: Ed (and Ivan) Peter Sun and

Re: [ccp4bb] Fab:antigen complex crystallization!!!

2011-07-28 Thread Andreas Förster
Hi Ivan, you might also want to find out what buffers your particular system likes. Jancarik et al. Optimum solubility (OS) screening: an efficient method to optimize buffer conditions for homogeneity and crystallization of proteins. Acta Crystallogr D Biol Crystallogr (2004) vol. 60 (Pt 9)

Re: [ccp4bb] Fab:antigen complex crystallization!!!

2011-07-28 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Hi Ivan Did you use microseeding with *random *solutions? If not see the following paper by Obmolova and Co about exactly this, microseeding with Fab complexes, http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2010/08/00/bw5361/bw5361.pdf For more subtle variations in using microseeding with complexes see

Re: [ccp4bb] Fab:antigen complex crystallization!!!

2011-07-28 Thread Alexandre Wohlkonig
Hi Ivan, Here is another example of a method to crystallize antibody/antigene complexes. It uses a limited proteolysis step to generate crystals of poor quality, which are then used as seeds for an MMS screening... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21536542 Good luck, Alex 2011/7/28

Re: [ccp4bb] Fab:antigen complex crystallization!!!

2011-07-28 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 05:07 +0100, Sean Seaver wrote: Spoiler - Fabs like ammonium sulfate. Not really - in my hands the ammonium sulfate was one hit out of 7. While Ivan's question is about Fab complexes with protein antigen, I think it brings up a more general question of protein

Re: [ccp4bb] Fab:antigen complex crystallization!!!

2011-07-28 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Ed (and Ivan) Peter Sun and colleagues published two papers where they show that crystallization conditions for protein-protein complexes are strongly biased towards PEG-based rather than high-salt or organic-solvent-based conditions. This includes antibody-antigen complexes.

[ccp4bb] Fab:antigen complex crystallization!!!

2011-07-27 Thread xaravich ivan
Hi everyone, I have been trying to crystallize Fab:antigen complex( 50kda:90kDa) complex and initially got needle clusters which after microseeding gave me single crystals but they are very small and I could not repeat the results. I have been using HEPES buffer at pH 6.8 to do the final SEC

Re: [ccp4bb] Fab:antigen complex crystallization!!!

2011-07-27 Thread Sean Seaver
Dear Ivan, If you take a look at the MPCD ( http://www.cinam.univ-mrs.fr/mpcd/ ) and search for Fab it brings up 172 crystallization conditions. The names should help you narrow down, which conditions are of a complex. Hopefully, you can use those conditions to help you decide, which