Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] crystallisation and mosaicity

2008-06-06 Thread R.M. Garavito
Tommi, The question has been asked and answered not by protein crystallography, but by cyroelectron microscopy and EM freeze etch research. Even as far back as the early 1960's, people noticed that liq. N2 was really slow at cooling. Read the cyroEM work on the bacteriorhodopsin photocyc

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] crystallisation and mosaicity

2008-06-05 Thread Tommi Kajander
according to literature,see below and references http://www.px.nsls.bnl.gov/courses/papers/ZD_EG_papers.html, it is not clear that liq. propane plunged item would cool faster. (whilst i havent tested this)... Would anyone have actual experimental data with protein crystals on the hyperquenchin

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] crystallisation and mosaicity

2008-06-05 Thread Edward Berry
I think the important thing here is that liquid nitrogen in the lab tends to be exactly at its boiling point, since the temperature is maintained by continuously boiling off some of the N2. This means the only mechanism for heat absorption is through vaporization, depending on the latent heat of

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] crystallisation and mosaicity

2008-06-05 Thread Petr Leiman
yes you are right, but I assumed if people see a cloud of condensed fog over their LN2 bath they should remove that by a) filling up the bowl completely e.g. some LN2 drips out of the bowl b) blow the fog away before you dip I think the original poster meant the relatively low heat conduction of

[ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] crystallisation and mosaicity

2008-06-05 Thread Patrick Loll
Hi Charlie, yes you are right, but I assumed if people see a cloud of condensed fog over their LN2 bath they should remove that by a) filling up the bowl completely e.g. some LN2 drips out of the bowl b) blow the fog away before you dip True; this has been demonstrated quite rigorously: