Re: [ccp4bb] Is the difference between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small?

2010-09-01 Thread Ed Pozharski
Ian is, as always, absolutely right. The only comment/correction I have is that Hailang was apparently referring to severely incomplete model, for which the poor phases will dominate the mFo map. Under such circumstances, even 2fo-fc map will not correctly reflect the actual relative contribution

Re: [ccp4bb] Is the difference between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small?

2010-09-01 Thread Ian Tickle
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Ed Pozharski wrote: > The > reason you see the missing region in (2mFo-DFc) map is because it is > effectively the sum of model map (mFo) which shows you the parts of the > model you have already placed and difference map (mFo-DFc) which shows > you the regions whic

Re: [ccp4bb] Is the difference between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small?

2010-08-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Remember you need to look at half the contour height in a mFo map compared to a 2mFo-DFc map - the same domain should show up but at a lower relative contour level in both maps. REFMAC calculates a similar WCNG and you can look at the graph of m after refinement to see how close it is to 1. If

Re: [ccp4bb] Is the difference between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small?

2010-08-31 Thread Ed Pozharski
If I understand correctly, the only difference between "mFo" and "Fo" map will be weighting in different resolution shells according to figure-of-merit. While this will presumably downweigh the less reliable resolution shells, it will hardly make up for the heavy model bias. The reason you see th

Re: [ccp4bb] Is the difference between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small?

2010-08-31 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Actually I cut a small domain from the well-defined structure (just for a test). The missing part showed in 2mFo-DFc map but not in both mFo and Fo maps, and the mFo and Fo maps are so close so that I wonder whether figure of merit generated by SIGMAA helps or not in this situation... Best Regards

Re: [ccp4bb] Is the difference between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small?

2010-08-31 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 13:15 -0400, Hailiang Zhang wrote: > Is the difference > between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small? For an essentially correct model, yes. The major advantage of (2mFo-DFc) maps is suppression of model bias, so if you don't see much difference then your model is very

Re: [ccp4bb] Is the difference between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small?

2010-08-31 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Hailiang, m is typically determined per resolution bin using test reflections and it can range from 0 to 1, so the difference between corresponding mFo and Fo can range accordingly. You can read more on this, for example: Acta Cryst. A42 (1986) 140-149. Acta Cryst. (1995). A51, 880-887. J

[ccp4bb] Is the difference between mFo and Fo maps supposed to be very small?

2010-08-31 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi, I want to see how the mFo maps (NOT 2mFo-DFc) compare against Fo maps. In the SIGMAA documentation, it says WCMB is the figure of merit; however, I opened in coot with "FP PHIC WCMB" combination, and for lots of systems, I didn't see too much difference against "FP PHIC" maps. Is the differenc