Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread Todd Jason Green
014 2:36 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32 But are you sure it is twinned and not really P312? Ltest etc is a pretty reliable indicator but the results can be biased by non-crystallographic translation, etc And do the HA sites obey the twinning symmetry? On 16 Dec

Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
ISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of > RHYS GRINTER > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:37 AM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32 > > Hi Eleanor, > > The data is perfectly twinned, with the original auto processing assigning > a point group of P312, but I r

Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread Keller, Jacob
] On Behalf Of RHYS GRINTER Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:37 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32 Hi Eleanor, The data is perfectly twinned, with the original auto processing assigning a point group of P312, but I reprocessed it in P3 and it seems to be behaving

Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread RHYS GRINTER
From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Eleanor Dodson [eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk] Sent: 16 December 2014 15:13 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32 Sorry - of course it can.. Sorry. Only if the twinning is perfect then you

Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Sorry - of course it can.. Sorry. Only if the twinning is perfect then you apparently get a higher symmetry.. Eleanor On 16 December 2014 at 14:26, Tim Gruene wrote: > > Dear Rhys, > > I would try to place idealised secondary structure elements with coot > into the density - at this resolution t

Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Rhys, I would try to place idealised secondary structure elements with coot into the density - at this resolution they probably fit both hands, but you may see a difference when you do e.g. rigid body refinement. Best, Tim On 12/16/2014 10:39 AM, RHYS GRINTER wrote: > Hi All, > > This will

Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread Keller, Jacob
What do the twinning tests show? Those space groups can be suspicious, I believe. JPK -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of RHYS GRINTER Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:40 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

Re: [ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If your Pt position is "centric" then either hand will give a reasonable looking solution but one will generate LH helices and the other right. Model building can break that ambiguity - SHELXE and Buccaneer both will impose correct peptide geometry. But at such low resolution they may struggle.. b

[ccp4bb] P31 or P32

2014-12-16 Thread RHYS GRINTER
Hi All, This will no doubt show something of my ignorance with experimental phasing, however I'm currently working on solving a 3.8A SAD dataset with Pt anomalous signal. Both Shelx and Xtriage see reasonable anomalous signal to about 7A and seem to get statistics suggesting a solution when I