Re: [ccp4bb] Problem of data reprocessing with XDS

2024-10-05 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi John, good idea in principle, but the amount of incompatible code changes between versions is surprisingly large. On top of that, XDS philosophy has always been that there is a single "best" algorithm (which may be fine-tuned in subsequent releases). The main arguments for that are: - it is

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem of data reprocessing with XDS

2024-10-05 Thread john bacik
Hi Kay, thank you so much for the explanation, this is very helpful. Maybe it is already possible, but perhaps the user could select whether to do the background estimation using either the old or new way (with or without local fitting), via the XDS.INP file? Thanks again, John On Sat, Oct 5, 202

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem of data reprocessing with XDS

2024-10-05 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear John, version 202406030 of XDS estimates the background "under" a reflection in a different way than 20230630 and earlier. The new way uses a background template based on the background image constructed in the INIT step of XDS, whereas in the old way that was only used for calculating a s

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem of data reprocessing with XDS

2024-10-05 Thread John Bacik
Dear Kay, do have any more information or would you mind explaining a bit more what changes in the XDS code led to these significantly different statistics in the different XDS versions? Thanks,John On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 02:35:25 PM CDT, Kay Diederichs wrote: Dear Yimin,

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem of data reprocessing with XDS

2024-10-04 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Yimin and CCP4BB readers, The autoPROC Wiki page mentioned in Clemens's message (below) is being regularly updated with the results emerging from extending that comparison to the improved BUILT=20241002 of the 20240630 version of XDS announced in Kay's message. With best wishes,

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem of data reprocessing with XDS

2024-10-02 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear Yimin, similar shortcomings were observed with other datasets with XDS VERSION Jun 30, 2024 that was posted on July 23 at https://xds.mr.mpg.de/html_doc/downloading.html . I am sorry for that! The testing of that version had not uncovered this problem. Corrected binaries were posted today

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem of data reprocessing with XDS

2024-10-02 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Dear Yimin, without wanting to preempt additional feedback that the XDS developers might be able to provide (concerning the changes within that July 2024 XDS version that seem to trigger the differences you see), may we suggest that you have a look at https://www.globalphasing.com/autoproc/wik

[ccp4bb] Problem of data reprocessing with XDS

2024-10-02 Thread Yimin Hu
Dear colleagues, I ran into a problem when I reprocessed a dataset after switching to XDS VERSION Jun 30, 2024. Processing the dataset with the old XDS I ended up with these statistics: RESOLUTION NUMBER OF REFLECTIONSCOMPLETENESS R-FACTOR R-FACTOR COMPARED I/SIGMA R-meas CC(1/2)