[ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-28 Thread Allan Pang
Hi there everyone, What does it mean when you have proteins eluting in almost the whole column volume of S200? I ran a gel with fractions from 8ml to 20ml and saw band for my protein all throughout. Judging peaks on chromatogram is not useful as it doesn't have any aromatic rings. Che

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-28 Thread Roger Rowlett
It possibly means: 1. Your sample application volume was too large 2. Total protein quantity was too large 3. Fraction size was too large 4. Sample was too crude (GEC is a finishing step, not a starting step for protein purification. 5. Sample was too concentrated/viscous 6. Flow rate was too fast

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-28 Thread David Briggs
Following on from Roger's fine suggestions: 8. Your column is knackered. Can you see fine lines or cracks in the column? Good packing is v.important for SEC columns. HTH, Dave David C. Briggs PhD Father, Structural Biologist and Sceptic

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-28 Thread Nian Huang
Hi, David, What is the common cause of knackered SEC column? Will equilibrizing a buffer containing 150 mM NaCl directly into a 20% EtOH or vise versa cause the problem. There was no problem just after packing the column. Nian On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 9:24 AM, David Briggs wrote: > Following on f

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-28 Thread David Briggs
Hi Nian, It can be a number of things - but typically, air getting into the column, or a leaky seal somewhere letting it dry out. Switching from 150mM NaCl to 20% EtOH directly shouldn't cause a problem. The reason I suggest it is that I have had the same situation as described in the original p

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-28 Thread Filip Van Petegem
worst-case scenario for crystallization purposes: 9. Your protein runs as a mixture of monomers, dimers, trimers, whatever-mers... Filip On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:24 AM, David Briggs wrote: > Following on from Roger's fine suggestions: > > 8. Your column is knackered. Can you see fine lines or

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-28 Thread Mario Sanches
Testing for cracks in the column is quite easy. Take whichever standard you happen to have (lisozyme, GST, etc) and do a run. If it comes out in a single peak the problem is with your prep. If it comes out throughout the run the problem is with your column. Mario Sanches On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 5

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-29 Thread R. M. Garavito
Nian, Before you dump the column, clean it and run some protein standards on it. If everything looks OK, run a small sample of your protein again. If it behaves the same way, then you may have a protein with hydrophobic patches. Anomalous binding to and elution from polymeric SEC media

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-30 Thread Allan Pang
Thanks everyone for your response. The most likely answer to my problem is protein overloaded onto the column. I pushed my protein concentration further down to 0.5ml instead of the usual method, which to run multiple times on SEC. Adding NaCl in the buffer may also help, as it seems that t

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-30 Thread Roger Rowlett
I'm glad this worked out well for you. For conducting molecular sizing determinations with a calibrated GEC column, I typically use 100-500 uL injections of approximately 1 mg/mL or so of purified protein on a 1.6 x 60 cm column. The limited protein quantity will

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein elution in Size Exclusion

2011-08-30 Thread Nian Huang
Thanks, David. I believe the leaked column was probably my case, although I didn't see any visible leakage I re-tightened connections anyway. But the weird thing was that after I equilibrized the column for a while, the dry patches and cracks disappeared. Everything returned to normal even a standa