Re: [ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Mo;lecular replacement can choose any suitable origin so you cant predict. The easiest way is to run superpose molecules Match all residues to each other. You should get a rotation matrix -1 0 0 0 0 1 / 0 1 0 with some translation which sjould be very c;lose tpo components of 0, or 1/2 along

Re: [ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-17 Thread Jon Wright
James Stroud wrote: ... What is the operation to reindex such that real space is rotated 180 about z? These are in P212121. Isn't that the 21 along z in your orthorhomic space group? Just apply it to your MR solution instead, and add an affine normaliser if needed to superpose the

Re: [ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-17 Thread Tim Gruene
If you were lazy you'd just run phaser ;-) -- Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, James Stroud wrote: Update: The pounding I am beginning to feel in my head is reminiscent of a pounding I felt while

Re: [ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-17 Thread James Stroud
Update: The pounding I am beginning to feel in my head is reminiscent of a pounding I felt while working in p43212 a while ago. I think this is an alternate origin issue. Now I just need to figure out how to redefine the origin. James On Apr 16, 2009, at 9:38 PM, James Stroud wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-17 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear James, yes, this reminds me of a problem long time ago: since the origin in P212121 is defined as the midpoint of non-intersecting screw axes (I hope that's right - I don't have the tables at hand), you have to add (1/4*a,1/4*c,1/4*b) after re-indexing, if I'm not mistaken. Best

Re: [ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-17 Thread Peter Zwart
when reindexing p212121 with -h,l,k, you get P 21 21 21 (a+1/4,b-1/4,c-1/4) so you should subtract 1/4 from x and add a quarter to y and z. some tools in the cctbx are available that make this go easy (reindexing and moving things back to a standard setting). Reruning phaser might be the least

Re: [ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-17 Thread Nicholas K. Sauter
James, If you still have the raw images on line, you can use a new feature in LABELIT to take care of matching the 2nd dataset indexing solution against the isomorphous atomic model from data set 1, and then re-integrate. Usage: labelit.index data set 2 first image data set 2 90-degree

Re: [ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-17 Thread Tim Gruene
For the sake of completeness I also thought that the REFERENCE_DATA_SET card in XDS does the same thing. Tim -- Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Nicholas K. Sauter wrote: James, If you still have the

[ccp4bb] Reindexing Orthorhombic

2009-04-16 Thread James Stroud
Hello All, I have two crystals (that I'll call data set 1 and data set 2) that seem to be isomorphic, but y and z are transposed between the two data sets. Reindexing data set 2 with the operators h = -h k = l l = k makes the axes match data set 1, but running MR with the previous