Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-14 Thread Ariel Talavera
Thanks a lot for all the quick replays to my post. It seems to be a controversial topic. Bellow are to replays which more or less summarize the answers to my post. Cheers, Ariel On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 07:44 -0500, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > Everything said is true, but one of the most important fac

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Everything said is true, but one of the most important factors in calculating structure factors and hence Rvalues is the scaling and solvent model. All of these are pretty inadequate - probably all protein "crystals" have large volumes of multiply ordered atoms - water networks, alternate confo

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-14 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
... yes, and this is the reason why sfcheck should be replaced by a more modern program at the Protein Data Bank! Best regards, Dirk. Am 13.07.10 22:15, schrieb Ethan Merritt: Should be in an FAQ somewhere: Q: Why does sfcheck not reproduce my original R factors? A: Because instead of using

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-13 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Ariel, here is how the R-factor is defined and computed in phenix.refine and related tools (such as phenix.model_vs_data): http://cci.lbl.gov/~afonine/FandR/Fmodel_and_Rfactor.pdf and here is the link to almost exactly the same questions asked a few days ago on ccp4bb: http://www.mail-

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-13 Thread Garib Murshudov
There may be several reasons: It looks strange. Something seems to be wrong in protocols 1) Check free R flags. I have seen in few cases wrong free R. Generally number of reflections for free should be less than for work reflections 2) Check TLS refinement. You may need to restart TLS refinem

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-13 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Fred, Also, at such a high resolution you might want to do individual atomic anisotropic temperature factor refinement. And unless it has changed recently, there is no such temperature factor refinement in Phenix. it's available in phenix.refine since 2005 or so. Please update your vers

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-13 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 13 July 2010 12:32:48 pm Ariel Talavera wrote: > Hi CCP4ers, > > Is there any differences in the way of calculating the Rfactor between > PHENIX.refine and other programs implemented in CCP4i, like Refmac5 or > sfcheck, or the EDS server? > > I asking this because I have a structure so

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-13 Thread Frederic VELLIEUX
Received from Peter Zwart: > Message du 13/07/10 22:02 > De : "Peter Zwart" > A : "Frederic VELLIEUX" , "Pavel Afonine" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations > > > Also, at such a high resolution

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-13 Thread Frederic VELLIEUX
u might want to do individual atomic anisotropic temperature factor refinement. And unless it has changed recently, there is no such temperature factor refinement in Phenix. Fred. > Message du 13/07/10 21:30 > De : "Ariel Talavera" > A : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Copi

[ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-13 Thread Ariel Talavera
Hi CCP4ers, Is there any differences in the way of calculating the Rfactor between PHENIX.refine and other programs implemented in CCP4i, like Refmac5 or sfcheck, or the EDS server? I asking this because I have a structure solved at 1.4 Å resolution. Phenix,refine was used for its refinement and