[ccp4bb] 'Sticky Crystals' on ccp4-wiki

2009-02-03 Thread Savvas Savvides
Dear colleagues, I have just deposited an entry on the ccp4-wiki that summarizes input/ideas on dealing with 'sticky crystals'. Please feel free to edit it further as necessary. http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php/Crystals#Crystal _handling best wishes Savvas

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-28 Thread Christian Biertuempfel
Hi Savvas, If the very good suggestions you have already got from the ccp4bb do not help, try crystallization with agarose as an additive. Crystals form inside the very soft gel and they are hold in place by this meshwork. So, they are mechanically protected and do not fall down onto the bottom of

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-28 Thread Jeff Speir
I second Chris's suggestions. These have worked well for me in the past. You only need a very thin layer of the grease (i.e. keep wiping until its almost completely gone) and it usually has no affect on the crystallization. Jeff On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Christopher Colbert wrote:

[ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread Savvas Savvides
Dear colleagues, we have been growing crystals of a protein complex in sitting-drop geometry that stick to the bottom of the drop remarkably well. It's as if they are glued onto the plastic. This makes crystal handling next to impossible without destroying the crystals. We have tried whiskers,

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread Jim Pflugrath
Put a small piece of dry ice on the opposite side of the plastic from the crystal. Perhaps the difference in thermal expansive coefficient will let the crystal(s) break away. Don't overdo it though. This is a trick that Gary Gilliland taught me. Jim On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Savvas Savvides

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Subject: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals Dear colleagues, we have been growing crystals of a protein complex in sitting-drop geometry that stick to the bottom of the drop remarkably well. It's as if they are glued onto the plastic. This makes crystal handling next to impossible without destroying

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread Christopher Colbert
If you have good and bad crystals in the same drop, I've had success pushing a crummy crystal into a good crystal and having it release that way. Additionally, once I realized this was going to be a long term problem, I started coating the sitting drop depressions with a thin layer of vacuum

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread James Holton
Suggestions so far have been good ones. However, the MiTeGen microtools kit: http://mitegen.com/products/microtools/microtools_kit1.shtml comes with a MicroSaw, which is a 10-micron thick kapton saw that is intended for this purpose. That is, you don't pry the crystal off the surface, but

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread deliang
- From: Savvas Savvides To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals Dear colleagues, we have been growing crystals of a protein complex in sitting-drop geometry that stick to the bottom of the drop remarkably well. It's

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread Jean-Luc Ferrer
Hi Savvas, You can collect data on your crystal still in the drop, on our beamline (FIP-BM30A at the ESRF) if you are interested. Provided space group is not P1 We do that routinely. Let me know if you are interested. JL Savvas Savvides wrote: Dear colleagues, we have

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread raz
Hi All One more method that I heard about but never tried is to put the plate on a sonication bath and to let for a short sonication pulse. That should vibrate some liquid under your crystal. Raz -- Raz Zarivach, Ph.D. Department of

Re: [ccp4bb] sticky crystals

2009-01-27 Thread mesters
Most obvious (maybe you did it already but that is not clear from your email), why not try seeding? - J. - Savvas Savvides wrote: Dear colleagues, we have been growing crystals of a protein complex in sitting-drop geometry that stick to the bottom of the drop remarkably well. It’s as if