Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-12 Thread Biadene, Marianna
. Does any body else want to chime in? Jim -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Matthias Zebisch Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:16 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing Dear bb! What

[ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Matthias Zebisch
Dear bb! What is the optimal wavelength for Sulfur SAD phasing? Is it 1.9A or should one go below that to reduce absorption/damage. Also, would the same wavelength be appropriate to maximize anomalous scattering to position chlorides, calcium, sulfate in already phased structures? Thanks in

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Matthew BOWLER
Hi Mattias, For maximizing the anomalous scattering of chlorides, calcium and sulfate I always collect highly redundant data (say 7 fold) at 7keV (1.77A). As for the optimal wavelength for S-SAD I would point you to the following publication:

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Matthias Zebisch wrote: Dear bb! What is the optimal wavelength for Sulfur SAD phasing? Is it 1.9A or should one go below that to reduce absorption/damage. Also, would the same wavelength be appropriate to maximize anomalous scattering to position chlorides, calcium, sulfate in already phased

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
Le 11 nov. 09 à 13:16, Matthias Zebisch a écrit : Dear bb! What is the optimal wavelength for Sulfur SAD phasing? Is it 1.9A or should one go below that to reduce absorption/damage. Also, would the same wavelength be appropriate to maximize anomalous scattering to position chlorides, calcium,

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Daniele de Sanctis
Hi Matthias Another crucial point to phase with sulphur anomalous signal is to use an appropriate scaling protocol. You can find extense discussion in the reference Matt posted. In case you want just to calculate an anomalous difference Fourier map you don't need to go that soft, you can

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote: Of course, as Fred said, the precission of the measurements is extremely important for sulfur-SAD phasing. What I was really meaning is the combination of i) accuracy and ii) sufficient redundancy. Not too much, in your case, as you rightly say in your mail.

Re: [ccp4bb] {Disarmed} Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
Le 11 nov. 09 à 14:26, Jürgen Bosch a écrit : Dear CCP4 community, (hijacking the thread) I so far failed to get a sulfur SAD phased structure and I blamed it on the low symmetry space group C2 plus weakish diffraction if you don't want to overexpose your crystal and be able to collect

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Jürgen Bosch
Dear CCP4 community, (hijacking the thread) I so far failed to get a sulfur SAD phased structure and I blamed it on the low symmetry space group C2 plus weakish diffraction if you don't want to overexpose your crystal and be able to collect 20-30x redundancy. What do the expert think about

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Jim Pflugrath
- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Matthias Zebisch Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:16 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing Dear bb! What is the optimal wavelength for Sulfur SAD phasing? Is it 1.9A or should one go below

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Jan Abendroth
Hi Matthias, S-SAD seems to require really strong diffraction, high symmetry, and high data redundancy. In the end, the S ano signal is pretty weak even at longer wavelength. While S-SAD might work, Iodide soaks might be a much more practical approach. Iodide has some 6 electrons at CuKa.

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Quyen Hoang
want to chime in? Jim -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Matthias Zebisch Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:16 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing Dear bb! What is the optimal wavelength for Sulfur SAD

Re: [ccp4bb] sulfur sad phasing

2009-11-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 13:16 Wed 11 Nov , Matthias Zebisch wrote: What is the optimal wavelength for Sulfur SAD phasing? Is it 1.9A or should one go below that to reduce absorption/damage. Some additional advice about factors other than wavelength: For S-SAD on a home Cu source, my previous lab showed that