Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-07 Thread Yamei Yu
Thanks all for your comments! Yamei Yu On Jul 5, 2014, at 5:10 AM, Nat Echols wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Nat Echols wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dirk Kostrewa > wrote: > yes - unfortunately, in my hands, phenix.xtri

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-04 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Nat Echols wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dirk Kostrewa > wrote: > >> yes - unfortunately, in my hands, phenix.xtriage reads the XDS_ASCII.HKL >> intensities as amplitudes, producing very different output statistics, >> compared both to the XDS statistic

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Sorry - the stats DO indicate perfect twinning - I misread the first Email.. Please ignore that comment! Eleanor On 4 July 2014 13:16, Philip Kiser wrote: > Hi Eleanor, > > If I'm not mistaken, the mean I stats​ are indicating perfect twinning. > > Philip > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 4:49 AM

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
To answer the original question. The indicators are that it is not twinned, If the Mean s are close to the untwinned values - you can probably believe it. Why are you worried? Eleanor Determining possible twin laws. 0 merohedral twin operators found 0 pseudo-merohedral twin operators found I

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-03 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: > yes - unfortunately, in my hands, phenix.xtriage reads the XDS_ASCII.HKL > intensities as amplitudes, producing very different output statistics, > compared both to the XDS statistics and to an mtz file with amplitudes > created from that XDS

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-03 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Hi Tim, yes - unfortunately, in my hands, phenix.xtriage reads the XDS_ASCII.HKL intensities as amplitudes, producing very different output statistics, compared both to the XDS statistics and to an mtz file with amplitudes created from that XDS file. I've contacted a phenix developer a few we

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-03 Thread Tim Gruene
Hi Dirk, that would truely be very sad - the XDS file format is such a beautiful, self-contained and well documented format for diffraction data that a misinterpretation should really not happen. Cheers, Tim On 07/03/2014 01:42 PM, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: > ... and please check, whether phenix.xtri

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-03 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
... and please check, whether phenix.xtriage recognized the input data as intensities or as amplitudes. In case of doubt, convert the intensives first into an mtz file with Fs instead of Is and run phenix.xtriage on the mtz file. Best regards, Dirk. Am 03.07.2014 13:36, schrieb Tim Gruene: H

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-03 Thread Tim Gruene
Hi Yamei, did you by any chance feed the output file from XDS into xtriage? It would indicate the data were twinned even for a near perfect insulin test crystal. After discussion with the developers I understand that phenix does not seem to handle unmerged data well. With phenix.xtriage V. phenix

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-03 Thread Philip Kiser
Hi Yamei, A possible explanation is that the actual space group is P4(2) but the data are perfectly hemihedrally twinned, which makes the crystal appear to possess 422 point group symmetry. No twin operators are found because merohedral twinning is not possible in crystals with true 422 symmetry.

[ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-02 Thread Yamei Yu
HI all, I have a data set processed to P42 21 2 (the space group was suggested by pointless ). then I use phenix.xtriage to analysis the data. I was confused by the phenix.xtriage result. According to the following number it is twin data, but why it couldn’t find any possible twin law? De