Re: [ccp4bb] Unit cell change - was Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
: [ccp4bb] XDS question Thank you to all! @Frederic I have a problem with the following sentence: if I collect all spots I get good map, but it is impossible to solve the structure by molecular replacement - if you have a good map (I assume electron density map) then the structure is solved... for me

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-14 Thread Kay Diederichs
Marco, indeed, as Fred says, the space group I422 may not be the correct one for the large cell. Use the model from the small cell for molecular replacement in the large cell. You may try I4(1)22, I4(1), I4 first, then lower symmetries: look into the International Tables what subgroups of

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-14 Thread Herman . Schreuder
cell may look like. Your situation might be different, but I would definitively try it. Herman -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Marco Lolicato Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:16 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] XDS

[ccp4bb] Unit cell change - was Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-14 Thread Edward A. Berry
, 2011 5:16 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question Thank you to all! @Frederic I have a problem with the following sentence: if I collect all spots I get good map, but it is impossible to solve the structure by molecular replacement - if you have a good map (I assume

Re: [ccp4bb] Unit cell change - was Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-14 Thread George M. Sheldrick
look like. Your situation might be different, but I would definitively try it. Herman -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Marco Lolicato Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:16 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] XDS

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-13 Thread Marco Lolicato
Thank you to all! @Frederic I have a problem with the following sentence: if I collect all spots I get good map, but it is impossible to solve the structure by molecular replacement - if you have a good map (I assume electron density map) then the structure is solved... for me a good map

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-13 Thread Vellieux Frederic
the space group is I422 do you have any other suggestion? Yes, how certain are you of the space group? For myself, I'm never entirely certain of the space group until I have solved the structure... I always keep in mind the other possibilities for space group assignment, if need be. And

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-12 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear Marco, in terms of using XDS, STRONG_PIXEL=99 is _highly_ non-standard (I personally try to stick with the defaults ... although at synchrotrons I do use STRONG_PIXEL=6 instead of the default of 3). I realize this is just a way to pick the strong reflection for indexing (since

[ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-11 Thread Marco Lolicato
Dear all, I have a particular problem... so, I have a beautiful crystal with nice diffraction pattern at 2.7A. The diffraction images are composed by very strong spots and weak spots. With XDS, if I collect all spots I get good map, but it is impossible to solve the structure by molecular

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-11 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Hi, I have a problem with the following sentence: if I collect all spots I get good map, but it is impossible to solve the structure by molecular replacement - if you have a good map (I assume electron density map) then the structure is solved... for me a good map is a map I can interpret.

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS question

2011-06-11 Thread Konstantin v. Korotkov
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Vellieux Frederic wrote: If the diffraction pattern originates from 2 crystals (in different orientations, a case I've had with one large crystal plus a satellite crystal attached to it in the same loop), it is in principle possible to snip crystal. I don't think such a

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question: inverse beam, lots of wedges

2011-04-01 Thread Harry Powell
Hi I'd just process it in iMosflm, and run the Quickscale task after integration. With almost no effort you should get a rapid visual indicator (in the graphs produced by Scala) of the discontinuities between the wedges. If the discontinuities are too big, then you might encounter some items

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question: inverse beam, lots of wedges

2011-04-01 Thread David Schuller
On 03/31/11 18:08, Patrick Loll wrote: We've just collected a number of inverse beam data sets. It turns out the crystals showed little radiation damage, so we have a lot of data: 2 x 360 deg for each crystal, broken up into 30 deg wedges. The collection order went like this: 0-30 deg,

[ccp4bb] xds question: inverse beam, lots of wedges

2011-03-31 Thread Patrick Loll
We've just collected a number of inverse beam data sets. It turns out the crystals showed little radiation damage, so we have a lot of data: 2 x 360 deg for each crystal, broken up into 30 deg wedges. The collection order went like this: 0-30 deg, 180-210, 30-60, 210-240, etc. Now, assuming no

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question: inverse beam, lots of wedges

2011-03-31 Thread Jan Abendroth
Pat, at least give it a try with the one sweep approach. We have collected plenty of 360deg data sets on a Rigaku system which requires two omega sweeps at phi 0 and 180 deg. These data sets are for in-house phasing. We haven't seen big issues with running XDS over these images as one

[ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Simon Kolstoe
Dear ccp4bb, I am quite a fan of XDS and have just upgraded to the latest version. Normally, to assess the quality of my data, I look at the tables in CORRECT.LP and especially the table SUBSET OF INTENSITY DATA WITH SIGNAL/NOISE = 0.0 AS FUNCTION OF RESOLUTION. However in my latest run

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Simon, I don't know how to change the output written to the log-file (maybe with the TEST-card), but I wonder why you don't want to look at all of your data but only those with I/sigI 0? XDS reports all reflections with I/sigI -3 for a good reason. Cheers, Tim On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Hi Tim, could you write a bit more about this cutoff. I've been using the 0 cutoff for the longest time as it seemed to be much more stringent to report. Jürgen - Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Tim Gruene
Hello Juergen, since sigma is always positive, a negative I/sigI means that the measured intensity is negative, hence I would refer you to the truncate reference On the treatment of negative intensity observations by S. French and K. Wilson, Acta Cryst (1978) A34, 517-525. Why exactly -3 is

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Robert Immormino
Hi, I've pasted below the reasons from Dan Gewirth and the HKL2000 manual authors for having a -3 sigma cutoff... I'll add briefly that if you assume the weak data has a Gaussian distribution around zero a -3 sigma cutoff allows you to record ~99.8% of the data. -bob SIGMA CUTOFF Cutoff for

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Petri Kursula
Hi, oh, I'm also surprised people seem to use something else than '-3' as the cutoff, i.e. are throwing away data. This, obviously, brings into new light all the discussions (which I definitely don't wish to restart) on the 'cutoff values' in R(sym) and I/sI which you use to determine the

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Simon, I've put my answer into the XDSwiki article FAQ http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/xdswiki/index.php/FAQ#why_do_the_latest_XDS.2FXSCALE_versions_only_give_a_single_table.2C_with_I.2Fsigma.3E.3D-3_cutoff.3F because I was asked this privately a couple of times, after this was

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Bryan Lepore
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Simon Kolstoe s.kols...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: XDS [...] signal/noise = -3.0. i'd be interested to know if there is an equivalent in scala... perhaps 'REJECT 6 ALL -8' -Bryan

Re: [ccp4bb] xds question

2011-02-08 Thread Phil Evans
No cutoffs in Scala Phil On 8 Feb 2011, at 20:13, Kay Diederichs wrote: Hi Simon, I've put my answer into the XDSwiki article FAQ