Grumble ... Google mail ...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Texas-Instruments-Silent-700-Data-Terminal-T367-/181827278594?hash=item2a55c01702
Best,
Sean
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
> He's got a lot of interesting stuff for sale ... anyone looking for a
> Silent 700?
>
>
> On Su
Some big Fujitsu SPARC machines, too, if anyone's into those ... some
old-ish looking HP boards of unclear provenance (probably came out of test
equipment) ... Nice Ungar soldering station in good shape ... very cheap
Cisco Sup720s ... a Shugart 801 ... interesting assortment of stuff ...
prices ar
He's got a lot of interesting stuff for sale ... anyone looking for a
Silent 700?
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Ben Sinclair wrote:
> If it was a salvageable set of RX02s, it would have been nice to have!
> Too bad he pulled the listing.
>
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Pete Turnbull
> wr
Yeah, Plan 9 is lean but not that lean! I wanted to mention it maybe more
an aside, as a modern operating system that has a little bit more of the
fluidity of old UNIX .. there's not a lot of "nonsense" to cut through
before you can write useful programs.
Best,
Sean
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 5:18
I did not know that. It must have been a fairly rare thing? I don't think
I've ever seen one photographed.
Best,
Sean
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Pete Turnbull
wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 18:14, Sean Caron wrote:
>
>> DEC did sell a version of the BA23 that was intended to be used just as an
>
On 08/09/2015 09:54 PM, Marc Verdiell wrote:
Well, Chuck, thanks a bunch, this is very useful and quite difficult
code to write from scratch. How does one compile for DOS by the way
(I have to admit I am too young to have ever tried), and get a copy
of MSC 8.00C. Is the DOS compiler buried in som
> I always kept a few cards in my shirt pocked to stick
> behind the mounted reel and trip the write-enable mechanism (which
> latched). When the autoloading 66x drives came in, part of my world
> disappeared. I've never tried to see if that trick works on minicomputer
> reel-to-reel drives.
It s
Hey, I'll take the offer, I am interested in both.
Marc
> Jay Jaeger wrote:
> If anyone is interested, I have code for a Linux SCSI tape to
> AWSTAPE program, and a program that translates aws format to a raw
> byte stream. Not sure if I have one that translates to the SimH .tap
> format, though.
Well, Chuck, thanks a bunch, this is very useful and quite difficult code to
write from scratch. How does one compile for DOS by the way (I have to admit
I am too young to have ever tried), and get a copy of MSC 8.00C. Is the DOS
compiler buried in some part of Visual Studio? I have some old versio
>> Are you aware of faster-than-n^2 multiplication algorithms [...]
> Actually, when the algorithm is to square a value, the difficulty
> reduces to ONLY ( n^2 + n ) / 2 which is
...still O(n^2). :-)
> IN ADDITION, it is the Lucas-Lehmer primality test:
I should look it up someday. (The Wikiped
On 8/9/2015 8:01 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
>Pete Turnbull wrote:
On 09/08/2015 18:14, Sean Caron wrote:
DEC did sell a version of the BA23 that was intended to be used just
as an
expansion peripherals cabinet. You shouldn't have any problems
putting HH
devices in BA23 bays (so long as you h
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> Right. And further tweaked by myself, also at DEC (for RSTS/E), though I
> don’t believe that version was sent back to DECUS.
Neat! I'm a big fan of RSTS/E, are you able to make your tweaked
version available?
On 08/09/2015 03:03 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
No, the OS did the drive assignments, and then prompted the operator
to do the mount of the appropriate VolSer on a given drive. The
label was of course checked as part of the OS/360 open process, and
if there was a label, and it was not expired, one cou
I have a vintage apollo question...
In the late 1980's when HP acquired Apollo Computer Inc, I recall
there was an HP root account, that shipped with every new
machine. In many cases this account was not removed.
I recently acquired a DN3000 and to my amazement it was clean, and
booted to a
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Eric Christopherson <
echristopher...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
> languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
> in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
>
> --
On 2015-08-09 20:46, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Paul Koning
> Algol 60, that is. It was used as the inspiration by just about
> everything that followed
I've just remembered that the Algol (probably Algol-60, but the manual
doesn't say) interpreter used for the programming langu
On 2015-08-09 19:54, ANDY HOLT wrote:
Good OS-es allowed an operator to mount tapes for his next few jobs,
without paying attention to paper labels and have the OS automatically
locate and assign tapes to the proper job.
Even the old Operators Exec (and thus George 1 and 2) could do that
on th
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 8:13 PM, Nigel Williams
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>> There’s DECUS ALGOL, which is essentially a PDP-11 version of Burroughs
>> Extended Algol. It generates bytecode which even looks somewhat like B5500
>> machine code. I still ha
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> There’s DECUS ALGOL, which is essentially a PDP-11 version of Burroughs
> Extended Algol. It generates bytecode which even looks somewhat like B5500
> machine code. I still have a copy, though I need to do some work to find the
> correct s
>Pete Turnbull wrote:
On 09/08/2015 18:14, Sean Caron wrote:
DEC did sell a version of the BA23 that was intended to be used just
as an
expansion peripherals cabinet. You shouldn't have any problems
putting HH
devices in BA23 bays (so long as you have the appropriate interfaces to
drive them
If it was a salvageable set of RX02s, it would have been nice to have!
Too bad he pulled the listing.
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 18:14, Sean Caron wrote:
>>
>> DEC did sell a version of the BA23 that was intended to be used just as an
>> expansion periphe
On 09/08/2015 18:14, Sean Caron wrote:
DEC did sell a version of the BA23 that was intended to be used just as an
expansion peripherals cabinet. You shouldn't have any problems putting HH
devices in BA23 bays (so long as you have the appropriate interfaces to
drive them) but you may need i.e. 3.5
No, the OS did the drive assignments, and then prompted the operator to
do the mount of the appropriate VolSer on a given drive. The label was
of course checked as part of the OS/360 open process, and if there was a
label, and it was not expired, one could not write over it, or, whether
reading or
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
>> From: Paul Koning
>
>> Algol 60, that is. It was used as the inspiration by just about
>> everything that followed
>
> I've just remembered that the Algol (probably Algol-60, but the manual
> doesn't say) interpreter used for the programmi
On 08/09/2015 01:25 PM, Dave G4UGM wrote:
On the Honeywell we had a Tape Management System that managed the
tapes. All the tapes were filed by tape number, and the system knew
which file was on which tape. It would tell the operators which tape
number to mount. It would also manage the scratch
On 8/9/2015 11:22 AM, Sean Caron wrote:
Have you tried Plan 9? It's like a breath of fresh air ... :O
Best,
Sean
But alas almost all the classic machines endup being a IBM 360 or
a PDP-10. I don't think plan 9 was written for them.
Ben.
PS: checks Google to see how much memory PL/I had to co
Have you tried Plan 9? It's like a breath of fresh air ... :O
Best,
Sean
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
> > From: Eric Christopherson
>
> > people who like to program in languages or language implementations
> or
> > libraries that are no longer in common mai
DEC did sell a version of the BA23 that was intended to be used just as an
expansion peripherals cabinet. You shouldn't have any problems putting HH
devices in BA23 bays (so long as you have the appropriate interfaces to
drive them) but you may need i.e. 3.5" to 5.25" bracket to attach to the
BA23
Yes, *ALGOLW is included and working in the D6.0 MTS tapes.
Best,
Sean
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Dave G4UGM wrote:
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brent
> > Hilpert
> > Sent: 09 August 2015 19:10
> > To: General Discu
Looked briefly and my suspicion is that it's genuinely an RX02 ... or most
of the major guts of one ... repackaged into a much larger and uglier
cabinet, LOL. There's a good chance it is what it says it is ... the
exposed control board in Pic 2 looks basically identical to that in my
(standard cabi
It looks like it's from a VT-278 setup, sometimes called the 'DECMATE 1. I had
two complete setups, and now have one left. With the VT-278, it will run
OS-278, COS-300, and WPS-8 (My systems were both WPS-8's, but I have a copy of
VT-278 somewhere in my physical 'archives').
BR, Dave Mahoney
When we first powered up the PDP-12 the main fuse for the VR12 display
blew. A replacement fuse did the same. We thought that the brown goo in the
bottom of the chassis had leaked from the high-voltage power supply, and
the high-voltage power supply is directly connected to the input, so that
was t
>
> We reconnected the Variac to the input and with 10VAC the high-voltage
> power supply had a 1000VDC output. We put 10x 500kOhm resistors in series
> across the output and increased the Variac voltage. By measuring the
> voltage across one resistor we could see that the output was more than
> 1
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Guzis
> Sent: 09 August 2015 20:40
> To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-
> Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: SCSI Tape to TAP utility
>
> On 08/09/2015 11:27 AM,
On 08/09/2015 11:27 AM, Dave G4UGM wrote:
If you had a tape master file then typically that had the same
dataset name on the master in and out
But obviously, not the same VSN...
There's (potentially) a lot of information in a set of labels,
particularly if any of the user labels are used.
I've seen / had them before. the top looks like it is the one for the MINC
box,
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Ben Sinclair wrote:
> I found this on eBay, and I'm not sure what it is:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-DIGITAL-RX02-COMPUTER-SYSTEM-2-FLOPPY-DRIVES-UNTESTED-T27-/181827282211?ha
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015, Douglas Taylor wrote:
I've watched this thread with interest because I am struggling with getting
up to speed using Microsoft Visual C++ version 1.5, which I think was their
first IDE.
??!?
December 1993
1.0 was February 1993
Do you really mean "first Microsoft IDE"??
Howz
> From: Paul Koning
> Algol 60, that is. It was used as the inspiration by just about
> everything that followed
I've just remembered that the Algol (probably Algol-60, but the manual
doesn't say) interpreter used for the programming languages course at MIT was
adapted from the Delphi
If you had a tape master file then typically that had the same dataset name on
the master in and out
Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Guzis
> Sent: 09 August 2015 19:13
> To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classi
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brent
> Hilpert
> Sent: 09 August 2015 19:10
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: Classic programming
>
> On 2015-Aug-09, at 10:40 AM, Robert Jarratt wrote:
> >> ---
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul Koning
> Sent: 09 August 2015 19:00
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Classic programming
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Robert Jarratt
> wrote:
> >
> >
On 08/09/2015 10:45 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
Seems dangerous to me: duplicate data set names on different tapes would
confuse it (plus, if the DSN is long, the entire DSN does not actually
appear in the tape label). I worked with OS/360 and MVS in my career
and we never did anything like that with
I made an offer, got refused, and now he's taken the listing down! I
thought it might be a way to get some RX02s that I could use on my 11.
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Technobug wrote:
>
> On 9 Aug 2015, at 10:14 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
>
>> The pedestal RX02s are around, but pretty rar
On 2015-Aug-09, at 10:40 AM, Robert Jarratt wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul Koning
>> Sent: 09 August 2015 18:22
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: Re: Classic programming
>>
>>> On Aug 9
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Robert Jarratt
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul Koning
>> Sent: 09 August 2015 18:22
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: Re: Classic programming
>
> Good OS-es allowed an operator to mount tapes for his next few jobs,
> without paying attention to paper labels and have the OS automatically
> locate and assign tapes to the proper job.
Even the old Operators Exec (and thus George 1 and 2) could do that
on the ICL 1900 - I think it was refe
On 9 Aug 2015, at 10:14 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
> The pedestal RX02s are around, but pretty rare. I think they were part
> of a PDP-8 based word processor (VT78?), and/or part of the smaller
> PDT11 systems.
>
> --
> Will
>
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On
On 8/9/2015 12:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> Good OS-es allowed an operator to mount tapes for his next few jobs,
> without paying attention to paper labels and have the OS automatically
> locate and assign tapes to the proper job.
>
> Can UNIX do that?
>
> --Chuck
>
Seems dangerous to me: duplic
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul Koning
> Sent: 09 August 2015 18:22
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Classic programming
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Robert Jarratt
> wrote:
> >
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Thompson
> Sent: 09 August 2015 13:49
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 Syste
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 18:43:53 +0100
> > From: "Dave G4UGM"
> > Subje
On 08/09/2015 10:19 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
More primitive than OS/360, which lets you put names on tape files
but can’t find files by name? That’s hard to imagine.
You haven't lived until you get a pile of tapes (some mixed-density)
with no identifying labels at all, from an archivist who w
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Robert Jarratt
> wrote:
>
> ...
> I used to like Algol68, and got to play with an implementation called
> Algol68C on a DECSYSTEM-20 in the late 70s. Occasionally I ask if anyone has
> got the media for it, I still live in hope. I think there are some other
> i
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> I've got a version that looks for label records and names and dates the parts
> appropriately.
>
> Probably not of any interest to UNIX-ers as the tape handling of that system
> was abysmally primitive, compared to other mainframe systems.
Options, options, options...
DEC was was good at options.
--
Will
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2015-08-09 18:14, William Donzelli wrote:
>>
>> The pedestal RX02s are around, but pretty rare. I think they were part
>> of a PDP-8 based word processor (VT78?), and/
> From: Johnny Billquist
> The 11/34 that I played with did not have a product from Enable. ...
> The product "my" 11/34 have came from Systime
Thanks for chasing that down. Yes, that would explain the non-meshing
memories! :-)
> In addition, a few wires needs to be changed on th
> From: Toby Thain
> Peter Siebel's "Coders at Work" features a chapter/interview with
> Steele:
Ah, thanks for pointing that out; I do have that volume, but I guess I didn't
read Steele's chapter.
> "So I worked seriously on the implementation of Emacs probably for only
> ab
On 8/7/2015 12:18 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
I've watched this thread with interest because I am
On 8/9/2015 11:48 AM, Ben Sinclair wrote:
I found this on eBay, and I'm not sure what it is:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-DIGITAL-RX02-COMPUTER-SYSTEM-2-FLOPPY-DRIVES-UNTESTED-T27-/181827282211?hash=item2a55c02523
I haven't seen RX-02s in a case like this before, and some Googling
doesn't see
On 08/09/2015 08:31 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Johnny Billquist
> And one should not forget Algol.
IIRC, Algol is mentioned in the paper I linked to. Of course, Algol's DNA is
in pretty much every procedural language ever created since it was.
It seems everyone has forgotten JO
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul Koning
> Sent: 09 August 2015 16:40
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
> Subject: Re: Classic programming
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2015, at 11:31 AM,
I've got a version that looks for label records and names and dates the
parts appropriately.
Probably not of any interest to UNIX-ers as the tape handling of that
system was abysmally primitive, compared to other mainframe systems.
--Chuck
On 08/09/2015 08:08 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 8/8/1
On 2015-08-09 11:25 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Eric Christopherson
> people who like to program in languages or language implementations or
> libraries that are no longer in common mainstream use?
I prefer to write code under (effectively) V6 Unix; I find that I can get
thin
On 2015-08-09 18:14, William Donzelli wrote:
The pedestal RX02s are around, but pretty rare. I think they were part
of a PDP-8 based word processor (VT78?), and/or part of the smaller
PDT11 systems.
You can easily google pictures of the VT78, and it has the same two RX01
(or if it is RX02) sid
The pedestal RX02s are around, but pretty rare. I think they were part
of a PDP-8 based word processor (VT78?), and/or part of the smaller
PDT11 systems.
--
Will
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2015-08-09 17:48, Ben Sinclair wrote:
>>
>> I found this on eBay, and I'
On 2015-08-09 17:48, Ben Sinclair wrote:
I found this on eBay, and I'm not sure what it is:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-DIGITAL-RX02-COMPUTER-SYSTEM-2-FLOPPY-DRIVES-UNTESTED-T27-/181827282211?hash=item2a55c02523
I haven't seen RX-02s in a case like this before, and some Googling
doesn't seem
Noel, I just posted an answer to this riddle. I hope you got it. Let me
know otherwise, and I'll recap it again. :-)
Johnny
On 2015-03-17 00:27, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Johnny Billquist
> All I can say is that I did a number of RSX SYSGENs on that 11/34, and
> it tr
I found this on eBay, and I'm not sure what it is:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-DIGITAL-RX02-COMPUTER-SYSTEM-2-FLOPPY-DRIVES-UNTESTED-T27-/181827282211?hash=item2a55c02523
I haven't seen RX-02s in a case like this before, and some Googling
doesn't seem to reveal much of anything.
Does anyone k
On 2015-03-18 19:15, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Johnny Billquist
> One more thing to check this summer...
OK, if you can, that would really be great; if either i) it's still together,
or ii) there are pictures, it would fill some of the key knowledge gaps.
In particular, i) what kin
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
>> From: Johnny Billquist
>
>> And one should not forget Algol.
>
> IIRC, Algol is mentioned in the paper I linked to. Of course, Algol's DNA is
> in pretty much every procedural language ever created since it was.
Algol 60, that is. It wa
> From: Johnny Billquist
> And one should not forget Algol.
IIRC, Algol is mentioned in the paper I linked to. Of course, Algol's DNA is
in pretty much every procedural language ever created since it was.
> From: Andy Holt
> (and, for that matter, PL/1 should probably be conside
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
> ...
> There was this thing called IVORY which IIRC 'purified' TECO code so that it
> could be dumped out in a compressed form (for faster loading, execution, etc
> - it may have also been possible to have it read-only, and the page(s) shared
> From: Eric Christopherson
> people who like to program in languages or language implementations or
> libraries that are no longer in common mainstream use?
I prefer to write code under (effectively) V6 Unix; I find that I can get
things working and done faster there than in any othe
On 8/8/15 9:16 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 08/08/2015 08:14 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
If anyone is interested, I have code for a Linux SCSI tape to
AWSTAPE program, and a program that translates aws format to a raw
byte stream. Not sure if I have one that translates to the SimH .tap
format, though. GN
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 18:43:53 +0100
> From: "Dave G4UGM"
> Subject: RE: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
>
> Actually I remember booting an IBM4381 from cold after we shut it down
> over Christmas. Just pressing the Power button powered it up eventually,
> but I am pretty sure it took nearly a
Probably negative inspiration due to its complexity what to NOT do.
;)
On 8/9/2015 4:39 AM, ANDY HOLT wrote:
>> And one should not forget Algol.
> 60 or 68?
>
> (and, for that matter, PL/1 should probably be considered an unsung
> inspiration for C as it was the implementation language for
Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2015-08-08 13:50, Holm Tiffe wrote:
> >Johnny Billquist wrote:
> >
> >[..]i
> >>
> >>Now I'll be snarky, but just for a single paragraph, Holm... :-)
> >>Did you ever actually read the full ISE Users Guide manual? Check page
> >>3-7 to 3-12. There you actually have the
Peter Coghlan wrote:
> Holm Tiffe wrote:
> >
> > It seems that the disk has some problems, or better the two RF31 disks.
> > If I try to install VMS on the disks there is some ratteling and data where
> > copied to them, after a while I get those infamous "volume is not software
> > enabled" error
> And one should not forget Algol.
60 or 68?
(and, for that matter, PL/1 should probably be considered an unsung
inspiration for C as it was the implementation language for Multics
in which Bell labs was a partner and must have inspired at least
the name for Unix)
On 8/9/2015 1:21 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-08-08 15:14, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Kip Koon
> I have often wondered what the inspiration for the C Language
was. BCPL
> -> MCPL -> B -> c, quite an interesting list of languages.
I don't think MCPL is in there; B was dir
On 2015-08-08 15:14, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Kip Koon
> I have often wondered what the inspiration for the C Language was. BCPL
> -> MCPL -> B -> c, quite an interesting list of languages.
I don't think MCPL is in there; B was directly inspired by BCPL. See Dennis
M. Ritchie,
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