RE: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Dave G4UGM
-Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tothwolf > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:57 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: IBM 1620 > > On Sat, 29 Aug 2015, Paul Koning wrote: > > On Aug 29, 2015, at 12:3

Re: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100,000

2015-08-30 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-08-30 03:48, drlegendre . wrote: Have the prices for 2600 E.T. carts climbed over the years, or is these buyers paying a premium to own a "Genuine landfill ATARI E.T. game, complete with certificate of authenticity" etc.? Thing is, the article mentions only a few hundred carts. Rumor had

Re: Saved DEC kit

2015-08-30 Thread Adrian Graham
Hi Lukas, Shipping is certainly possible but expensive, the 4000 plus a decent sized packing box will be around 10kg so a rough guess would be ukp45/€62. If that doesn't sound too bad I can box it up next week and let you know. Cheers Adrian On 01/08/2015 11:29, "Lukas Kaminski" wrote: > Hi,

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Dave G4UGM wrote: > > ... >> IBM had special machines to >> position and thread them. >> http://ibm-1401.info/IBMCoreArraysIEEEMagnetics1969.pdf Interesting. I remember learning about the processes DEC used. No fancy machines, just a flat plate jig with slots t

Re: Future Computers FX31

2015-08-30 Thread Adam Sampson
Jules Richardson writes: > Yes, it's a desktop system. There's a news article about the FX series of machines in "Electronics and Power", January 1983, p89: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=5186775 "They will be IBM compatible, and will offer built-in local-area-networking ca

Re: MEM11 Status Update

2015-08-30 Thread Guy Sotomayor
On 8/30/15 12:50 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote: -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Guy Sotomayor Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:05 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: MEM11 Status Update [... snip ...] The biggest piece of work remaining on the emulator will be emul

Re: MEM11 Status Update

2015-08-30 Thread Guy Sotomayor
On 8/30/15 8:45 AM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: On 8/30/15 12:50 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote: -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Guy Sotomayor Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:05 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: MEM11 Status Update [... snip ...] The biggest piece of

RE: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Dave G4UGM wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015, Tothwolf wrote: IBM had special machines to position and thread them. http://ibm-1401.info/IBMCoreArraysIEEEMagnetics1969.pdf Thanks for posting that. Very interesting. Looking at it, the machines are extremely complex, but I am sure

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Dave G4UGM wrote: > >> ... >> Interesting. I remember learning about the processes DEC used. No fancy >> machines, just a flat plate jig with slots to hold the cores in their > correct >> position, and nimble-fingered Oriental ladies to thread the wire through >

Re: Future Computers FX31

2015-08-30 Thread Jules Richardson
On 08/29/2015 04:10 PM, Steve Hunt wrote: I'm guessing this is it: http://www.sekaimon.com/i361201143538 Scroll down to find the images of a desktop unit. The pics look just like an FX31 that was advertised on ebay.co.uk earlier on this year. Yes, that's the critter!

Re: Future Computers FX31

2015-08-30 Thread Jules Richardson
On 08/30/2015 08:54 AM, Adam Sampson wrote: Jules Richardson writes: Yes, it's a desktop system. There's a news article about the FX series of machines in "Electronics and Power", January 1983, p89: Thanks for all the info - I've passed it on to the guy who has the machine. He's going to

Re: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100,000

2015-08-30 Thread Jason Scott
There are some really, really, really pedantic Atari people who may correct you on some of the details. Regardless, this is an extraordinarily silly situation, akin to selling cut up squares of blankets from hotel rooms The Beatles stayed in. I don't think it's wise to derive any conclusion or insi

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/30/2015 09:47 AM, Tothwolf wrote: If repair of the core memory in CHM's IBM 1620 is ever attempted, I think either low-tin solder alloy with 1-2% added copper or possibly a more modern indium-lead solder alloy would probably be the best choice for the enamel wire to terminal connections si

Re: Area 51 - was Re: CDC-160 (was Re: IBM 1620)

2015-08-30 Thread Eric Smith
I wrote: > Don't bother. There's nothing interesting in Area 51 any more; due to > all the publicity Area 51 has gotten, they've long since moved all the > good stuff to Area 52, which still has a low profile. On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > I know you're just being witty, b

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > On 08/30/2015 09:47 AM, Tothwolf wrote: > >> If repair of the core memory in CHM's IBM 1620 is ever attempted, I >> think either low-tin solder alloy with 1-2% added copper or possibly >> a more modern indium-lead solder alloy would probably

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/30/2015 11:15 AM, Paul Koning wrote: So there'd be what, 120,000 cores to thread? That might be a bit daunting from a human-hour standpoint. I'll wager that 120K cores wasn't even a day's output for outfits like Fabritek. Those cores weren't threaded one by one. You'd start by setting

RE: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100,000

2015-08-30 Thread Ali
> > How might a collector discern a "landfill" E.T. cart from any other > E.T. > cat that some snarky guy buried in the clay of his back forty? Not that I am expert or anything but my understanding is that the ET cart is extremely rare to begin with. In fact the landfill collection is the larges

RE: Advice about repairing an IBM 5151

2015-08-30 Thread tony duell
> I am trying to identify why my IBM 5151 display has no picture when > connected to a normal MDA card in a IBM PC 5150. So armed with an > oscilloscope, digital multi-meter and the SAMS Computerfacts for it I > started to investigate. First, the card does send out signal and that > signal does re

Re: TSX Plus...

2015-08-30 Thread Jim Carpenter
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Earl Evans wrote: > > Sorry guys, I dropped the ball on this. I've been doing a bunch of > > transitioning and ended up working on a number of other projects - and > > completely forgot about TSX. > > > > This discussion is prodding me to finish my half done webs

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > ... > I have heard of machine-fabricated core as well, but I thought that it only > applied to larger, slower bulk core store. One can certainly understand why > plated-wire or thin-film technologies were attractive. Perhaps CDC's ECS? 1

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/30/2015 12:15 PM, Paul Koning wrote: Perhaps CDC's ECS? 125k (funny number that) words per memory bank. Possibly. We used a lot of it in SSD. 4MW installations were not uncommon, shared among 2-4 mainframes. As I recall, core errors were not treated the same way as CM--part of dead

RE: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100,000

2015-08-30 Thread Ali
> A quick search of eBay would correct your 'understanding'. There are > dozens of copies for sale, many with boxes and manuals. They start at > about $5.00. I stand corrected. > > The game is very common, and generally considered worthless. It's a > joke, possibly the "worst video game ever ma

Re: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100,000

2015-08-30 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-08-30 22:19, Ali wrote: A quick search of eBay would correct your 'understanding'. There are dozens of copies for sale, many with boxes and manuals. They start at about $5.00. I stand corrected. :-) The game is very common, and generally considered worthless. It's a joke, possibly t

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/30/2015 03:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: PCB design was also a specialty, what with mylar film, tape, white-out and India ink and, of course, an X-acto knife. The best people at this seemed to be from the Far East. Done probably at 4X scale, then reduced for production. Yup, back in th

Re: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100,000

2015-08-30 Thread TeoZ
Even the unsold copies ended up getting purchased at the Atari liquidation firesale and there are people still selling them NIB cheap. The ET cart can be had for $2 (one of the cheapest) http://www.atari2600.com/ccp7/ecom-prodshow/ET-The-Extra-Terrestrial-PROD375.html -Original Message---

E.T. is not the worse game for the Atari 2600 (was Re: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100, 000)

2015-08-30 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great drlegendre . once stated: > > The game [E.T.] is very common, and generally considered worthless. It's a > joke, > possibly the "worst video game ever made" - up there with Superman 64 for > N64. I would think it depends upon your criteria for "worst video game

Re: E.T. is not the worse game for the Atari 2600 (was Re: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100, 000)

2015-08-30 Thread Jason Scott
Someone went through E.T. and fixed a lot of the bugs and oversights, releasing an improved version. It's playable here: https://archive.org/details/ET_Fixed_Final On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Sean Conner wrote: > It was thus said that the Great drlegendre . once stated: > > > > The game [E

Re: De-yellowing results

2015-08-30 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/30/2015 11:08 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: On 08/28/2015 12:08 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote: We're thinking about building that kind of "deyellowing station" in the MARCH warehouse. Hmm, single UV lamp, couple of stepper motors and a couple of circular tracks, one set at right angles to the ot

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/30/2015 11:15 AM, Paul Koning wrote: So there'd be what, 120,000 cores to thread? That might be a bit daunting from a human-hour standpoint. I'll wager that 120K cores wasn't even a day's output for outfits like Fabritek. Those cores weren't th

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/30/2015 09:47 AM, Tothwolf wrote: If repair of the core memory in CHM's IBM 1620 is ever attempted, I think either low-tin solder alloy with 1-2% added copper or possibly a more modern indium-lead solder alloy would probably be the best choice for t

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Paul Koning wrote: On Aug 30, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/30/2015 09:47 AM, Tothwolf wrote: If repair of the core memory in CHM's IBM 1620 is ever attempted, I think either low-tin solder alloy with 1-2% added copper or possibly a more modern indium-lead so

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread ben
On 8/30/2015 6:32 PM, Tothwolf wrote: On page 5, they describe 0.0031" 40 AWG magnet wire being reduced to 0.002" after soldering with 60/40 tin-lead solder. That 0.0011" reduction is basically 1/3 of the diameter of the wire. This explains the failures of the enamel wires in CHM's IBM 1620. Co

Re: De-yellowing results

2015-08-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/30/2015 11:08 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: On 08/28/2015 12:08 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote: We're thinking about building that kind of "deyellowing station" in the MARCH warehouse. Hmm, single UV lamp, couple of stepper motors and a couple of circular

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, ben wrote: On 8/30/2015 6:32 PM, Tothwolf wrote: On page 5, they describe 0.0031" 40 AWG magnet wire being reduced to 0.002" after soldering with 60/40 tin-lead solder. That 0.0011" reduction is basically 1/3 of the diameter of the wire. This explains the failures of the

Re: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100,000

2015-08-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, drlegendre . wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Ali wrote: How might a collector discern a "landfill" E.T. cart from any other E.T. cat that some snarky guy buried in the clay of his back forty? Not that I am expert or anything but my understanding is that the ET c

Re: IBM 1620

2015-08-30 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/30/2015 05:16 PM, Tothwolf wrote: According to IBM's paper, extra cores were threaded initially and used to replace any cores that tested bad during assembly. Any extras were crushed after assembly to remove them. I suspect there were also extra rows after shipment as well. I seem to r

Re: De-yellowing results

2015-08-30 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/30/2015 05:55 PM, Tothwolf wrote: Wrong type of UV. You are mostly getting long wave UVA outdoors, so blacklight lamps would seem to be the correct (and MUCH safer) choice. When I looked at 24" T8 bi-pin blacklight lamps, they were going for about USD $10 per lamp. Oh, but there's that a

Re: De-yellowing results

2015-08-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/30/2015 05:55 PM, Tothwolf wrote: Wrong type of UV. You are mostly getting long wave UVA outdoors, so blacklight lamps would seem to be the correct (and MUCH safer) choice. When I looked at 24" T8 bi-pin blacklight lamps, they were going for about

RE: Advice about repairing an IBM 5151

2015-08-30 Thread tony duell
> > Do you mean no picture or no raster? To me the 'picture' is the video > > modulation (that makes different bits of the screen light or dark). If you > > turn up the brightness and contrast controls do you get any illumination on > > the screen? > The screen is entirely black no matter what I d

APL\360

2015-08-30 Thread Paul_Koning
Probably old news to some, but I just ran into this 3 year old article. Gotta dust off your Hercules: http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/the-apl-programming-language-source-code/ And also http://wotho.ethz.ch/mvt4apl-2.00/ paul