Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread simon
shure. go ahead. the svg has layers. top to bottom: demo (with the dot matrix text) holes (all the holes, but not with a solid fill print (the numbers) card (the card itself) As I made the original card in illustrator on a mac three years ago and I'm a "switcher" to linux, I changed the forma

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Don North
On 9/10/2015 6:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote: If you want to do some more research, just Google members.iinet and you will see a lot of hits of the form: http://members.iinet.net.au/~some_name and see if you can access ANY of them. From both my home and work IP, I can not get ANY of these pages to r

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great Christian Kennedy once stated: > On 9/10/15 18:32, Jon Elson wrote: > > > So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in the US, to > > check if they can view this page: > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html > > DNS doesn't resolv

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Christian Kennedy
On 9/10/15 18:32, Jon Elson wrote: > So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in the US, to > check if they can view this page: > http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html DNS doesn't resolve. A traceroute to 203.0.178.90 dies at: 14 be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cog

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Stein
Same here (in Toronto); can get to iinet.net.au but not members. But you can get at the ring from Jon's page; if you like blinkenlights check out the megaprocessor: an LED for _every_ signal, even inside the CPU etc: http://www.megaprocessor.com/homebrew.html Here's a video: http://www.meg

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread William Donzelli
> The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff ATB > airline tickets are printed on. > The die to cut to size May cost a bit Also, cutting to size should not be a problem. Any modern print shop should have a nice big computer controlled paper cutter that would do

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread William Donzelli
> I agree. But the ATB spec IS punch card stock. Picked for all the reasons you > listed. They make lots of it. I would love to be proven wrong, but I do not think that is true anymore. I think the stock spec changed in the 1980s when the magnetic strip was added (which might be enough to screw u

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Sean Caron
It didn't work for me ... just hangs infinitely at "Waiting for members.iinet.net.au..." ... feels like packets just being dropped outright. I am on Comast Business, SE MI, USA my packets seem to get as far as Cogent in LA but then from there, nothing. Incidentally, it seems to work okay from

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 9/10/2015 6:02 PM, Joseph Lang wrote: > Lazy programmers. Poor specs for project. Clueless project managers. > Doesn't seem a simple database query should be all that hard. > > Don't get me started on that real ID garbage. Not one piece of required > "proof" included a photo > > Joe >

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Cory Heisterkamp
Supposedly these guys have the IBM dies and as of last year, were still making/selling new tab cards. The CHM was investigating them as a source at one point but I believe they now have more cards than they'll ever need. -C http://www.californiatabcard.com/Tab_Cards.html On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread William Donzelli
> The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff ATB > airline tickets are printed on. > The die to cut to size May cost a bit No, it it very specialized. There is much more than thickness to consider - friction, durability, stiffness, hygroscopic-ness, printability

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Joseph Lang
I agree. But the ATB spec IS punch card stock. Picked for all the reasons you listed. They make lots of it. Joe On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:41 PM, William Donzelli wrote: >> The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff >> ATB airline tickets are printed on. >> The die t

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Joseph Lang
Lazy programmers. Poor specs for project. Clueless project managers. Doesn't seem a simple database query should be all that hard. Don't get me started on that real ID garbage. Not one piece of required "proof" included a photo Joe > On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >> O

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Joseph Lang wrote: It takes that long because the clerks have no idea what tab does. Watch somebody who does and see how fast they can fill in a form. Mouse actually slows down data entry a lot. yes. Is there any reason why driver's license number couldn't be entered, to

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Joseph Lang wrote: The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff ATB airline tickets are printed on. The die to cut to size May cost a bit Conventional paper shear for sides, ends, and corner, plus conventional corner rounding on three corn

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Joseph Lang
It takes that long because the clerks have no idea what tab does. Watch somebody who does and see how fast they can fill in a form. Mouse actually slows down data entry a lot. Joe > On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> On 09/10/2015 02:32 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> >> Or the in

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Marc Howard
Question: Is there a way to edit the SVG file to produce a custom message? Thanks, Marc On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:38 PM, geneb wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Mike Stein wrote: >> >>> For a while many utility bills etc. were sent out with prepunched ca

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Joseph Lang
The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff ATB airline tickets are printed on. The die to cut to size May cost a bit Joe > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:56 PM, simon wrote: > > Its hard to explain. it feels tough and bendable, but it is thinner as you > would expec

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 9/10/2015 2:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 09/10/2015 11:47 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > To me, the stock feels very similar to the stock used for our > vote-by-mail mark-sense ballots here in Oregon. > Or the infamous "hanging chad" punch(ed) ;) cards from son of Bush's first election. I g

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/10/2015 03:54 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Joseph Lang wrote: It takes that long because the clerks have no idea what tab does. Watch somebody who does and see how fast they can fill in a form. Mouse actually slows down data entry a lot. yes. Is there any reason why driver'

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 9/10/2015 5:29 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 09/10/2015 02:32 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > Which reminds me--I went over to the local DMV to renew my "papers". > Since the terrorism craze, the state has changed the rules for verifying > identity to now include a birth certificate (heaven knows why).

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/10/2015 02:32 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: Or the infamous "hanging chad" punch(ed) ;) cards from son of Bush's first election. I got an operational Documation card reader from Texas a few years back that was retired as a result of that fiaso. Oregon is a vote-by-mail state exclusively. The

RE: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread tony duell
> So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in > the US, to check if they can view this page: > http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html I have just viewed it (UK, Demon ISP). I've also checked, I can download at least one of the schematics linked from that page (I

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/10/2015 11:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote: FWIW I noticed this started several weeks ago - been trying to get to look at current crop of home builts and could not find a way to the web ring. Here's the latest list out of the javascript file that one of the ring members in Germany got me a cop

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/10/2015 11:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote: FWIW I noticed this started several weeks ago - been trying to get to look at current crop of home builts and could not find a way to the web ring. iinet.net.au is reachable but not members.iinet.net.au Yup, that is right, this all worked a couple

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/10/2015 11:10 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote: Also, I'm talking to a network-oriented friend in Canada who reckons it's iiNet who are blocking packets. I'd like to know why! Alexis. iinet has posted several blogs and position papers decrying poorly thought out responses to intellectual propert

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Chuck Guzis
Oh, BTW, here's the traceroute for my (successful) access. Oregon, again, but through Centurylink DSL: traceroute to 203.0.178.90 (203.0.178.90), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 10.0.0.252 (10.0.0.252) 0.451 ms 0.392 ms 0.364 ms 2 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 5.304 ms 10.255 ms 14.160 ms

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/10/2015 10:38 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote: On 11/09/2015 12:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 09/10/2015 09:07 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote: Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In case DNS is blocked, the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been on iiNet since they bought out my previous ISP.

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Gary Oliver
Same behaviour from comcast.com in Oregon (a cablemodem connection) as well as from peakinternet.com (local isp.) Also have tried using one of my AWS (amazon) virtuals and get the similar results. comcast.com traceroute stops at: be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.237) my amazon

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Alexis Kotlowy
> On 11/09/2015 12:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > I'm poking around with this service: > http://www.cogentco.com/en/network/looking-glass > > Probing telstra.com (a major Australian telecommunications company) gets > through, and even iinet.net.au gets through, but members.iinet.net.au > stops as it

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Brian L. Stuart
On Thu, 9/10/15, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: > From a friend of mine on RoadRunner (I won't say where, but in the USA > of course); their trace dies as it leaves the Cogent Communications > network (since it bounces through a few of their servers before dying). I'm seeing the same behavior f

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Alexis Kotlowy
On 11/09/2015 12:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 09/10/2015 09:07 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote: >> Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In case >> DNS is blocked, the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been >> on iiNet since they bought out my previous ISP. Cheers, >> Alexis. > Traceroute go

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/10/2015 09:54 PM, ben wrote: Well it does not work in CANADA as of today. WOW, this is new info! It was working about a month ago, as I am designing a 8 bit cpu on the DE1 FPGA PCB, and I was looking for ideas. Can one get all the web pages mirrored, I hate this loss information with

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/10/2015 09:07 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote: Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In case DNS is blocked, the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been on iiNet since they bought out my previous ISP. Cheers, Alexis. Traceroute goes out to 30 hops and stops, and I couldn't figure out

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Ross
I've forwarded this to a journo at The Register, and hopefully they'll have a good poke at it. Mike On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Hello, all, > > I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really weird problem has > turned up. The guy who administers the ring, Davi

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On 10 September 2015 at 22:07, Alexis Kotlowy wrote: > iiNet have been outspoken about users' rights and privacy in the face of > the War on Piracy. While they don't condone piracy, they have serious > concerns about the way it's being dealt with (or at least that's my > understanding). > > I get

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread ben
On 9/10/2015 9:03 PM, jwsmobile wrote: I am forwarding this to a friend in Australia for him to do more extensive comment and diagnosis. Try http://traceroute.org/ for diagnosing this. It allows you to perform traceroute from cooperating servers across the world, including australia. there are

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread jwsmobile
I am forwarding this to a friend in Australia for him to do more extensive comment and diagnosis. Try http://traceroute.org/ for diagnosing this. It allows you to perform traceroute from cooperating servers across the world, including australia. there are some sites you will have to ferret

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/10/2015 06:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Hello, all, I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his personal web pa

Re: Amiga 2000HD spotted, STL

2015-09-10 Thread jwsmobile
I talked to the guy at the counter, and meant to post this too. He gets a lot of Amiga hardware and would be worth polling if you are interested. I suspect that the prices will go up if a bunch of Amiga people pounce though, and they can use the bucks there. (ask Jay for the contact) Lots

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread ben
On 9/10/2015 7:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Hello, all, I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his personal web page

Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Alexis Kotlowy
On 11/09/2015 11:02 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > Hello, all, > > I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really > weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the > ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au > as his ISP. iiNet have been outspoken about users' rig

internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-10 Thread Jon Elson
Hello, all, I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to gover

Amiga 2000HD spotted, STL

2015-09-10 Thread Jay West
Local electronics haunt has an Amiga 2000HD on the shelf. I was in a rush so didn't get any particulars. It did not appear to have a monitor or keyboard. Didn't see a price tag, but just from past experience I'd guess the owner tagged it around $50. I'm not in to them, no interest.. But if som

Re: IBM 026

2015-09-10 Thread COURYHOUSE
well SMECC needs one hopefully to make work so we can show the youn'ins how cards were punched! hopefully something to be gotten here in AZbut I am open Thanks Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 9/10/2015 5:27:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard

Re: IBM 026

2015-09-10 Thread Ian S. King
Are you looking for one to buy, to use, to study for restoration...? I know some folks who have them, but they're not for sale. :-) On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 4:59 PM, wrote: > wow... that is absurd! $24,999 > someone needs rehab... > > > In a message dated 9/8/2015 4:57:08 P.M. US Mountain Standa

RE: 21MX proms (per request

2015-09-10 Thread dwight
I was mistaken. I've admitted it. Dwight > From: a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: 21MX proms (per request > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 19:15:42 + > > > As often the case, I recall wrong. > > I stand corrected. > > Dwight > > > > From: dkel...@hotmail.com > > T

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Sep-10, at 2:53 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, geneb wrote: >> This is at least the 2nd time I've seen this message today. Mailman gone >> mental on us Jay? > > Some of the messages might be worth getting more than once. Not that one. > > I think that I got EVERY message

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, geneb wrote: This is at least the 2nd time I've seen this message today. Mailman gone mental on us Jay? Some of the messages might be worth getting more than once. Not that one. I think that I got EVERY message twice. Is this still CCTECH/CCTALK issues?

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread geneb
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Mike Stein wrote: For a while many utility bills etc. were sent out with prepunched cards containing the customer and billing information, to be mailed back with your payment for proper allocation. A guy that I went to school with,

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread William Donzelli
> Card stock exists in a large number of varieties. It may be perfectly > straightforward if you look in a paper company catalog (the kind that > supplies paper to print shops). For example, with a quick look at Mohawk > Paper company I see a dozen different papers. Picking one of them > ("O

RE: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Dave G4UGM
Where I first worked we punched duplicate cards, one which went out with the bill and one which we kept in a box. When the money came in we used the duplicate from the box to produce daily listings which were reconciled against the bank statements. Then after a month we could produce reminder lette

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Mike Stein wrote: For a while many utility bills etc. were sent out with prepunched cards containing the customer and billing information, to be mailed back with your payment for proper allocation. A guy that I went to school with, would always take those utility bills, a

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/10/2015 11:47 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: In those days, the cardstock was extremely available, in large sheets and in precut blanks, in a variety of colors. Print-shops abounded who would do custom cards, if your business thought that it needed them. To me, the stock feels very similar to

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sean Caron wrote: > > I have a few old ... let's just say Hollerith cards ... LOL ... and the > stock feels a little reminiscent of that of a manilla folder or 3x5 card, > but slightly thicker. It's kind of an odd basis weight ... too heavy for > cheap folders, too

RE: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread tony duell
> It will go through the [almost] straight optional paper path of laser > printers and inkjets. (Not the S curves) I'll bet it will go through a Sanders 12/7 dot matrix printer too. That has a totallly straight paper path. Paper in at the top, out at the bottom (strangely...) However, none of

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Stein
For a while many utility bills etc. were sent out with prepunched cards containing the customer and billing information, to be mailed back with your payment for proper allocation. m - Original Message - From: "Fred Cisin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, S

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread geneb
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Kyle Owen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Al Kossow wrote: look at ALL of the documentation of the period NO ONE called them PUNCH cards Section 7: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/200-21001B_B200_SeriesRefMan_Jul64.pdf "Punch card stock" "punch

Re: Control Data (?) circuit boards

2015-09-10 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Sep-10, at 10:18 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > On 9/10/15 9:23 AM, Mike Stein wrote: >> Not very interesting >> > > backside is all-telling. > DD12092 is the part number. DD == "Data Display" > the display division of CDC > > they are the form factor that DD used. I picked up a 3291-B display >

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin
On 10 September 2015 at 15:42, Fred Cisin wrote: He also said that the colored pencils that I manually did graphs with were "COLOUR PENCILS". On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Liam Proven wrote: Sounds legit to me. But then in the old world we still spell the proper, old-fashioned-way. ;¬) Yes, GREY mig

RE: 21MX proms (per request

2015-09-10 Thread tony duell
> As often the case, I recall wrong. > I stand corrected. > Dwight > > From: dkel...@hotmail.com > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: 21MX proms (per request > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:09:39 -0700 > > > > > Yep, looked it up. > 2716 and 2732 used a pulsed Vpp( 2708 a well ). > Beyond th

RE: 21MX proms (per request

2015-09-10 Thread dwight
Yep, looked it up. 2716 and 2732 used a pulsed Vpp( 2708 a well ). Beyond that they had a static Vpp and a PGM pin. Dwight

RE: 21MX proms (per request

2015-09-10 Thread dwight
As often the case, I recall wrong. I stand corrected. Dwight From: dkel...@hotmail.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 21MX proms (per request Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:09:39 -0700 Yep, looked it up. 2716 and 2732 used a pulsed Vpp( 2708 a well ). Beyond that they had a static Vpp and

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/10/2015 08:40 AM, Kyle Owen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Al Kossow wrote: look at ALL of the documentation of the period NO ONE called them PUNCH cards Section 7: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/200-21001B_B200_SeriesRefMan_Jul64.pdf "Punch card stock" "pun

RE: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Liam > Proven > Sent: 10 September 2015 16:17 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: punchcard svg file available > > On 10 September 2015 at 15:42, Fred Cisin wrote: > > He also said

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread jwsmobile
On 9/10/2015 9:00 AM, William Donzelli wrote: btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and are nowhere to be find also. We only have one box of fresh cards and one box of used cards with our IBM 029. Of course the unused cards stay in the depot until we can do something

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin
If you find a source of paper stock that works, please let everyone know about it. The real paper is gone, and will likely never be made again. It is a specialized stock that is extremely difficult to make. What is different about it? Thickness? Weight/square metre? Density? Impregnated with some

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Sean Caron wrote: I have a few old ... let's just say Hollerith cards ... LOL ... and the stock feels a little reminiscent of that of a manilla folder or 3x5 card, but slightly thicker. It's kind of an odd basis weight ... too heavy for cheap folders, too light for expensive

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Sean Caron
I have a few old ... let's just say Hollerith cards ... LOL ... and the stock feels a little reminiscent of that of a manilla folder or 3x5 card, but slightly thicker. It's kind of an odd basis weight ... too heavy for cheap folders, too light for expensive folders ... wouldn't be amenable to runni

RE: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Al Kossow Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 5:53 AM > On 9/10/15 4:38 AM, simon wrote: >> https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg > they are PUNCHED cards > look at ALL of the documentation of the period > NO ONE called them PUNCH cards Al, I have to disagree with you, based on 46

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread simon
Its hard to explain. it feels tough and bendable, but it is thinner as you would expect from the toughness. On 10-09-15 18:08, tony duell wrote: If you find a source of paper stock that works, please let everyone know about it. The real paper is gone, and will likely never be made again. It

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Lee Courtney
Al - we accept that you are a CLI in a world of GUIs! :-) Lee C. On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > On 9/10/15 8:54 AM, Simon Claessen wrote: > >> Being right and being polite are two completely different things. >> >> > And no one has ever accused me of being polite. > > > >

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread simon
Go ahead. this drawing is published as creative commons and the svg is in parts. the text and holes is a separate layer. I even included a layer with all holes, so just make the right holes white and there you are. The text above is another thing though. the characters are als separate drawing

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/10/2015 09:53 AM, simon wrote: A nice guy at greenkeys spotted an error in the printed characters. the c cedille should actually be a cent char. So, EBCDIC. How about a few of the other character sets in use at the time? That might be interesting. --Chuck

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread simon
A nice guy at greenkeys spotted an error in the printed characters. the c cedille should actually be a cent char. I fixed it. Simon On 10-09-15 17:54, Simon Claessen wrote: Hi Lee. Thanks. feel free to rename the file to anything you like. :-) I decided to ignore rude yelling people. Being

Re: DEC 8235 IC? (repost)

2015-09-10 Thread Simon Claessen
To answer my own question, DEC 82xx type IC's are actually Signetics N82xx IC's. On 07-09-15 11:10, simon wrote: As something went wrong in posting this question, I try to repost it here. please don't be offended by this. --

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/10/15 8:54 AM, Simon Claessen wrote: Being right and being polite are two completely different things. And no one has ever accused me of being polite.

RE: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William > Donzelli > Sent: 10 September 2015 17:00 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: punchcard svg file available > > > btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called pon

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Lee Courtney
punchcard or PUNCH or PUNCHED card, still nice work. Thanks for sharing. Lee C. On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:38 AM, simon wrote: > Hi All, > > just to let you know that i've made a vector graphics file for A hollerith > punchcard. > > https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg > > enjoy > -- > M

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 05:54:45PM +0200, Simon Claessen wrote: > > btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten > The correct term is of course "hålkort" (hole cards) An unused stack went cheap on swedish ebay recently... perhaps I should have bought them. /P

RE: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread tony duell
> If you find a source of paper stock that works, please let everyone > know about it. The real paper is gone, and will likely never be made > again. It is a specialized stock that is extremely difficult to make. What is different about it? Thickness? Weight/square metre? Density? Impregnated w

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread William Donzelli
> btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and are > nowhere to be find also. We only have one box of fresh cards and one box of > used cards with our IBM 029. Of course the unused cards stay in the depot > until we can do something usefull with them. That is why I made thi

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Kyle Owen
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > look at ALL of the documentation of the period > NO ONE called them PUNCH cards Section 7: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/200-21001B_B200_SeriesRefMan_Jul64.pdf "Punch card stock" "punch card peripherals" Second to last pag

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Simon Claessen
Hi Lee. Thanks. feel free to rename the file to anything you like. :-) I decided to ignore rude yelling people. Being right and being polite are two completely different things. btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and are nowhere to be find also. We only have on

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > On 9/10/15 4:38 AM, simon wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> just to let you know that i've made a vector graphics file for A >> hollerith punchcard. >> >> https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg >> >> enjoy > > they are PUNCHED cards > look at A

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Liam Proven
On 10 September 2015 at 15:42, Fred Cisin wrote: > He also said that the colored pencils that I manually did graphs > with were "COLOUR PENCILS". Sounds legit to me. But then in the old world we still spell the proper, old-fashioned-way. ;¬) -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/10/15 4:38 AM, simon wrote: Hi All, just to let you know that i've made a vector graphics file for A hollerith punchcard. https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg enjoy they are PUNCHED cards look at ALL of the documentation of the period NO ONE called them PUNCH cards

punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread simon
Hi All, just to let you know that i've made a vector graphics file for A hollerith punchcard. https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg enjoy -- Met vriendelijke Groet, Simon Claessen drukknop.nl

Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Al Kossow wrote: they are PUNCHED cards look at ALL of the documentation of the period NO ONE called them PUNCH cards Half a century ago, there were already some people who got it wrong. I had a boss who insisted that blanks in the box were "PUNCH CARDS", that it wasn't un

Re: Wyse 370

2015-09-10 Thread Keven Miller (rtt)
Not sure about 370, but I've found a WY-60 User Guide here: http://www.vt100.net/wyse/wy-60-ug/ Keven Miller - Original Message - From: Jan Diegelmann To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 02:46 AM Subject: Wyse 370 for both serial ports I can configure a t

Re: 21MX proms (per request

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "tony duell" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:29 PM Subject: RE: 21MX proms (per request Your right, I didn't say that the 2716 was not a single rail, just that it didn't have a separate Vpp and

RE: 21MX proms (per request

2015-09-10 Thread tony duell
> > Your right, I didn't say that the 2716 was not a single rail, just that it > didn't have a separate Vpp and PGM pin. It was programmed by turning > Vpp on and off. I could be wrong that the 2732s were that way as well. The data sheet for the SGS-Thomson 2716 here : http://ee-classes.usc.edu

RE: ISO: Manual for Emulex CS21/H

2015-09-10 Thread Josh Dersch
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 10:44 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: ISO: Manual for Emulex CS21/H > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Ethan Dick

RE: 21MX proms (per request

2015-09-10 Thread dwight
> From: a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: 21MX proms (per request > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 14:14:44 + > > > 2716 are that last of the program by turning the programming voltage > > on and off. > > I must be mis-remembering how I designed my first EPROM prog

Re: ISO: Manual for Emulex CS21/H

2015-09-10 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Josh Dersch > wrote: >> Anyone out there have a manual for the Emulex CS21/H (or possibly the /U >> variant)? > > I may. We had a bunch of CS21 boards at Software Results... I checked the box. The non-DEC man

Re: 21MX proms (per request

2015-09-10 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/10/15 7:14 AM, dwight wrote: Anyone interested in doing 1702As should look at the schematic in the MCS4 user manual on bitsavers.org or just buy a ME1702A from Martin Eberhard

Re: Control Data (?) circuit boards

2015-09-10 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/10/15 9:23 AM, Mike Stein wrote: Not very interesting backside is all-telling. DD12092 is the part number. DD == "Data Display" the display division of CDC they are the form factor that DD used. I picked up a 3291-B display controller manual from Billy Pettit yesteray, and is uses discre

Re: KDJ11-A/M8192 identified as PDT11/50 from resorc /a?

2015-09-10 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote: > > ..have repaired a HH725 Harddisk /TA7245BP was bad since a tantal Elko had > a short) and booted now RT11 V5.07 with the new now repaired 1/73 CPU. > > Resorc /A give the following informations: > > ... > PDT 11/150 Processor > FP11 Hardwar

KDJ11-A/M8192 identified as PDT11/50 from resorc /a?

2015-09-10 Thread Holm Tiffe
..have repaired a HH725 Harddisk /TA7245BP was bad since a tantal Elko had a short) and booted now RT11 V5.07 with the new now repaired 1/73 CPU. Resorc /A give the following informations: .resorc /a RT-11XB (S) V05.07 Booted from DL0:RT11XB Resident Monitor base is 111774 (37884.) USR is set

Re: Control Data (?) circuit boards

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Stein
Not very interesting Haven't used Picasa in years; hope this works: https://picasaweb.google.com/115794482077177620188/CDCCards?authkey=Gv1sRgCLjPy9Diu7fwsgE - Original Message - From: "William Donzelli" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, Septemb

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