«Why NASA Needs a Programmer Fluent In 60-Year-Old Languages
To keep the Voyager 1 and 2 crafts going, NASA's new hire has to know
FORTRAN and assembly languages.
»
http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a17991/voyager-1-voyager-2-retiring-engineer/
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Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livej
The list seems very quiet to-day.
I have had only one post this morning.
Anybody know why?
Rod Smallwood
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:02:28AM +, rod wrote:
>The list seems very quiet to-day.
>I have had only one post this morning.
>Anybody know why?
I've been getting echos of the RF08/RS08 posts. Happens every few days.
Either the list server is getting a bit senile, or I am. Or both.
John Wilso
On 30 October 2015 at 12:02, rod wrote:
> The list seems very quiet to-day.
> I have had only one post this morning.
> Anybody know why?
No replies to my message about NASA wanting Fortran programmers...
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Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile
Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk
> From: Rod Smallwood
> The list seems very quiet to-day. I have had only one post this
> morning. Anybody know why?
They're all tired out from the large amount of traffic over the past couple
of days? ;-)
But seriously, it's not quite 9AM yet now, on the US East Coast (and I would
g
Eric Smith wrote:
>
> If a schematic isn't available, but a unit was made available on loan to
> reverse-engineer, I'd be willing to do it.
At this stage, it appears that no original schematic for this board has been
uncovered.
Efforts are currently underway to reverse-engineer an actual TSC8
Hi all,
I'm trying to set up a MicroVAX II that has an SMD disk attached to an
Emulex QD32 controller. I need to test and/or format the disk and so I'm
looking for images of the Emulex diagnostic floppies (should be RX50
AFAIK). Those found at http://www.headcrashers.org/comp/rx50/ boot, but I
On 30 October 2015 at 12:02, rod wrote:
The list seems very quiet to-day.
I have had only one post this morning.
Anybody know why?
Is everybody off at the top-secret VCF-Paris?
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Liam Proven wrote:
No replies to my message about NASA wanting Fortran programmers...
extinc
I love this person's style:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281835789336
It doesn't sell for $25? Fine, re-list it at $35!
Noel
I saw a couple of posts; thought it seemed a little slow today as well. I
did see Liam's post regarding Fortran, which I did have a semester of back
in '93. Probably a little rusty as there just isn't a lot of need for it...
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> On 30 October 201
Hi Guys
I just got back from the meeting at the silk screen shop.
They are going to start by printing ten PDP8/e panels with the details
that are common to both A and B.
I'm sending them a couple of overlays. One to convert the common panel
to an A Type and the other to make it into a B typ
Noel, I've observed this quite some times now on ebay: Some people put up
auctions for a price and the auctions end with no bidders. Afterwards, they
re-list the
items long term (so no auction) with higher prices. They go fishing for the
rare number of people interested in these things.
Ch
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>
> «Why NASA Needs a Programmer Fluent In 60-Year-Old Languages
>
> To keep the Voyager 1 and 2 crafts going, NASA's new hire has to know
> FORTRAN and assembly languages.
> »
>
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a17991/voyager-1-voyager-
Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> On 30 October 2015 at 12:02, rod wrote:
> > The list seems very quiet to-day.
> > I have had only one post this morning.
> > Anybody know why?
>
> Is everybody off at the top-secret VCF-Paris?
>
Nah - VCF-Paris is just a decoy to distract the few who might have heard about
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> «Why NASA Needs a Programmer Fluent In 60-Year-Old Languages
>>
>> To keep the Voyager 1 and 2 crafts going, NASA's new hire has to know
>> FORTRAN and assembly languages.
>> »
>>
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:16 AM, P Gebhardt wrote:
> Noel, I've observed this quite some times now on ebay: Some people put up
>
> auctions for a price and the auctions end with no bidders. Afterwards,
> they re-list the
>
> items long term (so no auction) with higher prices. They go fishing for
On 10/30/2015 02:29 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
«Why NASA Needs a Programmer Fluent In 60-Year-Old Languages
I think the demise of FORTRAN is overstated. That there is an X3 group
still advancing the language attests to that. While FORTRAN may be a
60-year old language, Fortran is not.
As far
On 10/30/2015 09:42 AM, Christian Corti wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to set up a MicroVAX II that has an SMD disk
attached to an Emulex QD32 controller. I need to test
and/or format the disk and so I'm looking for images of
the Emulex diagnostic floppies (should be RX50 AFAIK).
Those found at h
Hi Jack,
Unfortunately I can't access the pictures on VCF
because I apparently annoyed the moderator Mike
Brutman, but I really enjoyed the pics on Picasa;
thanks for posting - always fun to see some of the
European stuff.
I didn't hear or see anything about VCF-Berlin
either; a shame since I ha
Just something cool - VMS Software Inc. is located in what used to be the
Emulex building in Bolton MA.
Sue Skonetski
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
> On 10/30/2015 09:42 AM, Christian Corti wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm trying to set up a MicroVAX II that has an SMD disk
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 09:01:38AM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 10/30/2015 02:29 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> > «Why NASA Needs a Programmer Fluent In 60-Year-Old Languages
>
> I think the demise of FORTRAN is overstated. That there is an X3 group
> still advancing the language attests to that. W
On 10/30/2015 9:42 AM, Christian Corti wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to set up a MicroVAX II that has an SMD disk attached to an
> Emulex QD32 controller. I need to test and/or format the disk and so I'm
> looking for images of the Emulex diagnostic floppies (should be RX50
> AFAIK). Those foun
>Liam Proven wrote:
«Why NASA Needs a Programmer Fluent In 60-Year-Old Languages
To keep the Voyager 1 and 2 crafts going, NASA's new hire has to know
FORTRAN and assembly languages.
»
http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a17991/voyager-1-voyager-2-retiring-engineer/
Does anyone have any id
On 30 October 2015 at 16:28, Paul Koning wrote:
> Neat. I would think that a large fraction of the membership of this list is
> qualified for that job.
That's why I posted it! :-)
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Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/F
On 10/30/2015 09:35 AM, Diane Bruce wrote:
Joe still loves his Fortran. In fact, many Scientist/Engineers seem
to still use Fortran.
http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/i
Sorry, that URL gets me to a 404.
Just the other day, I converted a 9 track tape from the 90s from Ft.
George M
On 10/30/2015 10:38 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
There was no operating system, just a batch stream of one job at a
time. All I/O was via a 1401 for both input and output.
IBSYS and/or FMS don't qualify as operating systems? The usage of the
1401 to do unit record I/O was the original applicat
No, not looking for a reproduction. Just posted it in case it would help folks
with a possible RK11-C display panel concept.
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 15:31, rod wrote:
>
> Hi Jay
> Is this what you want me to look at with a view to panel reproduction ?
>
> Rod
>
>
>> On 29/10/15 20:28, Ja
2015-10-30 13:54 GMT+01:00 Jay Jaeger :
> No, not looking for a reproduction. Just posted it in case it would help
> folks with a possible RK11-C display panel concept.
>
Interesting. We also have a RF08 / RS08 combo. It came with two PDP-8/L
machines. I am not sure if both PDP-8/L CPUs were con
I work in scientific computing and occasionally still see FORTRAN codes
around. Not totally dead yet ... You'd be surprised how many, say, R
libraries are written in FORTRAN ...
What concerns me is the amount of code these days that is being written in
languages that has no formal standard at all.
Well I finally setup a separate email address so I can receive individual
messages from cctalk instead of the daily digest which really doesn't lend
itself to posting back.
Just wanted to say hi.
Cheers,
Corey
corey cohen
uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ
Well your rev-4 setup isn't going to be worth top dollar because of the
condition and clone motherboard, you don't mention if it's the original
datanetics keyboard and if the powersupply is the original one. Infact it may
only be worth a couple of hundred dollars or less.
Basically the answ
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 09:52:24AM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 10/30/2015 09:35 AM, Diane Bruce wrote:
>
> > Joe still loves his Fortran. In fact, many Scientist/Engineers seem
> > to still use Fortran.
> >
> > http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/i
>
> Sorry, that URL gets me to a 404
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Jon Elson wrote:
On 10/30/2015 09:42 AM, Christian Corti wrote:
[...]
AFAIK). Those found at http://www.headcrashers.org/comp/rx50/ boot, but I
have not the faintest idea of how to start anything in there; even a "DIR"
How about HELP or even "?"
I seem to recall they have
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Just the other day, I converted a 9 track tape from the 90s from Ft.
>> George Meade that involved antenna design software. It was FORTRAN and
>> compiled quite nicely under f77.
NEC 2?
I've had a copy of NEC-2, in Fortran, for p
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Peter Coghlan wrote:
Nah - VCF-Paris is just a decoy to distract the few who might have heard about
the ultra secret VCF-Madrid.
WHY was VCF Berlin kept a secret?
Did Sellam know about it?
I would not have gone to it,
but it still seems surprising that I didn't even hear
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
>
> ...
> What concerns me is the amount of code these days that is being written in
> languages that has no formal standard at all. Perl, Python, PHP, Ruby, the
> list goes on ... I wonder how much of it will still be useful in ten or
> fifteen
Welcome Corey! how did you get the upside down font in the email
sig? Ed#
In a message dated 10/30/2015 9:59:06 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
appleco...@optonline.net writes:
Well I finally setup a separate email address so I can receive individual
messages from cctalk ins
>From: "Jerome H. Fine"
>Does anyone have any idea as to the actual hardware platform?
> Jerome Fine
>From
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/30/has_voyager_1_escaped_the_sun_yet_yes_but_also_no_say_boffins/:
>
"250 Khz General Electric 18-bit TTL CPUs, complete with single register
accumu
On 10/30/2015 8:55 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On 30 October 2015 at 12:02, rod wrote:
The list seems very quiet to-day.
I have had only one post this morning.
Anybody know why?
Is everybody off at the top-secret VCF-Paris?
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Liam Proven wrote:
No replies to my message about NA
On 10/30/2015 10:17 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
NEC 2?
I've had a copy of NEC-2, in Fortran, for perhaps 2 decades now. I
also got the manual from government archives. Works nicely.
No, something called FERM--developed at Lincoln Labs and distributed
through USG, by all appearances.
--Chuck
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I think the demise of FORTRAN is overstated. That there is an X3 group still
advancing the language attests to that. While FORTRAN may be a 60-year old
language, Fortran is not.
Which one is NASA looking for? FORTRAN/Fortran in general, or expertise
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:39 PM, ben wrote:
>
> On 10/30/2015 8:55 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>> On 30 October 2015 at 12:02, rod wrote:
>>> The list seems very quiet to-day.
>>> I have had only one post this morning.
>>> Anybody know why?
>>
>> Is everybody off at the top-secret VCF-Paris?
>>
>> On
My Rev 4 has an Apple Rev 4 board in it. Basically I tossed the clone board
and PSU and replaced with what should be the correct motherboard (w/integer
basic ROMs) and I think PSU. PSU seems to be a matter of debate, some have
suggested to me it should be the silver A2M, others said it should
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Does anyone have any idea as to the actual hardware platform?
I used an IBM 7094 II back around 1965 using both FORTRAN
and assembly language, but that was only 50 years ago.
There was no operating system, just a batch stream of one job
at a time. All I
On 10/30/2015 11:47 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:39 PM, ben wrote:
On 10/30/2015 8:55 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On 30 October 2015 at 12:02, rod wrote:
The list seems very quiet to-day.
I have had only one post this morning.
Anybody know why?
Is everybody off at the top-secre
On 10/30/2015 11:21 AM, Corey Cohen wrote:
Well I finally setup a separate email address so I can receive
individual messages from cctalk instead of the daily digest which really
doesn't lend itself to posting back.
The only thing worse than digest mode on a mailing list is having to use a
web
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Cisin
> Sent: 30 October 2015 17:51
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Know any Fortran programmers who need a more interesting job?
>
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Jero
> From: Fred Cisin
> 2 or 3 decades ago, the folk controlling lower division undergraduate
> "Computer Science" at UC .. declared, "Assembly language is dead!
> Nobody will ever program in it again.", and shifted their program to
> Scheme/Lisp.
> ..
> assembly language
On 2015-10-30 2:16 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Fred Cisin
> 2 or 3 decades ago, the folk controlling lower division undergraduate
> "Computer Science" at UC .. declared, "Assembly language is dead!
> Nobody will ever program in it again.", and shifted their program to
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
> ...
> Apparently nobody had ever told them that a number in memory is... just a
> number. At which point it became clear that they needed to know a little
> more about how a computer actually worked.
That reminds me of an exchange I had wit
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> Apparently nobody had ever told them that a number in memory is... just a
>> number. At which point it became clear that they needed to know a little
>> more about how a com
Welcome Corey! how did you get the upside down font in the email sig?
Ed#
Google for "upside down ASCII text" ... there are many web sites that
convert it for you such as textflip.org.
˙bɹo˙dıןɟʇxǝʇ sɐ ɥɔns noʎ ɹoɟ ʇı ʇɹǝʌuoɔ ʇɐɥʇ sǝʇıs qǝʍ ʎuɐɯ ǝɹɐ
ǝɹǝɥʇ ˙˙˙ "ʇxǝʇ ııɔs
I honestly don't remember. I know Woz sent me instructions on how to do it,
this was a few years ago. I've just been cutting and pasting the competed
signature since then, so I forgot. Maybe I can dig up the instructions over
the weekend.
FYI. I just got the daily digest on my other ema
If the keyboard is a datanetics with the daughter board, I may have a spare
empty PCB if you want it to transfer your switches. I'll check tonight.
Where are you located?
It actually should be a silver supply. I have a rev-4 with original silver
supply. I elected to repair instead of repla
What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the
microcomputer? What money & expertise did it provide? “Steve Jobs the
Movie” doesn’t mention this nor have books written about him and
microcomputers in general mentioned this. Not even mine! Do the
computers we love owe more to go
it is pretty neat!!!
In a message dated 10/30/2015 1:36:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
appleco...@optonline.net writes:
I honestly don't remember. I know Woz sent me instructions on how to do
it, this was a few years ago. I've just been cutting and pasting the
competed signature s
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
Him: I allocate an array of structures and I read them off of disk into the
array.
Me: How big are the structures?
Him: About 4K
Me: How many are you allocating?
Him: 100,000
Me: Rolls eyes. That’s 4GB. We don’t have 4GB on the embedded platform. You
I can't answer that question directly... The new Steve Jobs movie,
while a good, entertaining Sorkin film, is great, but by not a history
of personal computing or even Apple.
If you haven't read Hackers by Steven Levy, I'd recommend that as a
fun starting point!
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:40 PM,
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Murray McCullough wrote:
What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the
microcomputer? What money & expertise did it provide? “Steve Jobs the
Movie” doesn’t mention this nor have books written about him and
microcomputers in general mentioned this. Not ev
May not be old enough but this is the group I think might be interested. I
have just started following GovDeals.
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemID=1624&acctID=4788
Cluster is in Ohio.
Pax
--
Paxton Hoag
Astoria, OR
USA
On 10/30/2015 01:40 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
I always assigned them a problem of writing a sort for a file/dataset
too big to fit into memory. They literally refused to understand
that a dataset could exist that would be too large to fit into
memory. A couple of students wrote a letter to the co
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paxton
> Hoag
> Sent: 30 October 2015 21:13
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: IBM cluster for auction
>
> May not be old enough but this is the group I think might be
From: "Fred Cisin"
> They literally refused to understand that a
> dataset could exist that would be too large to fit into memory.
In the UK, the Home Secretary wants to force all ISPs to store and
keep (reasonably) easily searchable logs of all URLs accessed by all
their customers.
This, I thin
> They literally refused to understand that a
> dataset could exist that would be too large to fit into memory.
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, ANDY HOLT wrote:
In the UK, the Home Secretary wants to force all ISPs to store and
keep (reasonably) easily searchable logs of all URLs accessed by all
their cust
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of ANDY
> HOLT
> Sent: 30 October 2015 21:22
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: "Demystification" is just as important as "Abstraction" in
> "Computer Science" (Was: Kn
"I still think a 3 tape sort should be a required early assignment (learn
that not everything can fit into memory at once).
TTFN - Guy"
Second.
Lee C.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Paul Koning
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 30, 2015,
> "I still think a 3 tape sort should be a required early assignment
> (learn that not everything can fit into memory at once).
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Lee Courtney wrote:
Second.
It's hard to get students to care about what you are saying when you
mention tapes. You need to explain the algorit
On 10/30/2015 2:19 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paxton
Hoag
Sent: 30 October 2015 21:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: IBM cluster for auction
May not be old enough but this is t
>
>
> Instead, we need to look at the relative involvements of academia,
guvmint, military, and industry (foreign and domestic). Like the
development of the internet (I do not see an "invention" nor a definable
creation date), there were several major forces that helped in their own
self-serving w
They literally refused to understand that a dataset could exist that
would be too large to fit into memory.
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
About a year ago, I was asked by my employer to give them a list of the
URLs accessed by one member of staff. I sent them a list of the URL's
that I
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Cisin
> Sent: 30 October 2015 22:40
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: RE: "Demystification" is just as important as "Abstraction" in
> "Computer Science" (Was: K
>
> Our industry is saturated with such refusal to understand. Consider
> Microsoft's "throw hardware at the software problems" argument that if
> their software runs too slowly on your computer, then that shows that YOUR
> COMPUTER (and you) is inadequate, and you should get a faster computer.
>> Welcome Corey! how did you get the upside down font in the email sig$
> Google for "upside down ASCII text" ... there are many web sites that
> convert it for you such as textflip.org.
Maybe, if you're willing to assume Unicode support on the receiver's
end (which on this list strik
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Coghlan
> Sent: 30 October 2015 23:22
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: "Demystification" is just as important as "Abstraction" in
> "Computer Science" (Was: Know any Fortran
>
> >
> >
Noel Chiappa wrote:
> It's worth teaching a bit of machine/assembler language, so that students
> understand how computers _actually work_, underneath.
>
> [example of students who wrote octal math for CLU]
Back in 1983 I needed an assembler for the Motorola 6809, so I wrote one
in Lisp on a TRS-
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Murray McCullough
> wrote:
>
> What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the
> microcomputer? What money & expertise did it provide?
Interesting question. Supposedly some of the impetus for integrated circuits
came from the space program -
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:21 PM, ANDY HOLT wrote:
>
> From: "Fred Cisin"
>> They literally refused to understand that a
>> dataset could exist that would be too large to fit into memory.
>
> In the UK, the Home Secretary wants to force all ISPs to store and
> keep (reasonably) easily searchable
On 10/30/2015 05:18 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
Why? Hardware hasn't really got much faster over the last four years. More
CPU's have been added. In hardware terms anything that runs XP well will run
anything later.
There might be missing drivers, but in general its not a spec problem.
I run XP on non
On Oct 30, 2015 8:50 PM, "Paul Koning" wrote:
>
>
> > On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Murray McCullough <
c.murray.mccullo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the
> > microcomputer? What money & expertise did it provide?
>
> Interesting question.
On 10/30/2015 12:04 PM, Christian Corti wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Jon Elson wrote:
Also, you log shows MicroVAX I, so it is possible the
program won't support a Q-bus board on a MicroVAX-II.
Oh, that was a typo. It actually says this:
B DUA0
2..1..0..
Emulex VAX Monitor V1.2 MicroVA
On 10/30/2015 12:27 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
Welcome Corey! how did you get the upside down font in the email
sig? Ed#
In a message dated 10/30/2015 9:59:06 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
appleco...@optonline.net writes:
Well I finally setup a separate email address
Hi Guys
Sitting here doing the overlays for the 8/e silk screen run.
I had a thought. Including all makes of computer old and new.
What about a front panel with lights and switches for systems
that never had one and could have done with one?
Which computer would you nominate?
I'm not abo
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