Re: Open VMS System Mgt Guide Scripts Avail.

2016-01-07 Thread Jason T
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 2:31 PM, william degnan wrote: > I've uploaded the contents of the disk that accompanis the book "OpenVMS > System Management Guide" by Lawrence Baldwin here: > > http://www.vintagecomputer.net/digital/OpenVMS/ There are a lot of files there. Can you post them zipped up as

Re: Secure disk destruction [was Re: Floppy recovery]

2016-01-07 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/07/2016 08:17 PM, jwsmobile wrote: They are also useful if you are also doing your own high-grade gold refining pass, for preparation of material. The two recycling operators I know are probably doing this process as well. Most gold recover folks are not trusted. There are several Yout

Re: Secure disk destruction [was Re: Floppy recovery]

2016-01-07 Thread jwsmobile
On 1/7/2016 6:20 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2016, drlegendre . wrote: What's wrong with the "disassemble and rend with heavy hammer" approach? Doesn't that render the platters un-readable, if done with sufficient ardor? Bending the platters will keep them from turning and being usab

Re: Secure disk destruction [was Re: Floppy recovery]

2016-01-07 Thread Charles Anthony
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jan 2016, drlegendre . wrote: > >> What's wrong with the "disassemble and rend with heavy hammer" approach? >> Doesn't that render the platters un-readable, if done with sufficient >> ardor? >> > > Bending the platters will keep them f

Re: Secure disk destruction [was Re: Floppy recovery]

2016-01-07 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 7 Jan 2016, drlegendre . wrote: What's wrong with the "disassemble and rend with heavy hammer" approach? Doesn't that render the platters un-readable, if done with sufficient ardor? Bending the platters will keep them from turning and being usable in the drive, but does NOT prevent var

Re: Secure disk destruction [was Re: Floppy recovery]

2016-01-07 Thread Paul Berger
On 2016-01-07 9:06 PM, drlegendre . wrote: What's wrong with the "disassemble and rend with heavy hammer" approach? Doesn't that render the platters un-readable, if done with sufficient ardor? Or spin the disk and scrape off the oxide, I have seen disk drive do that all by themselves, but as

Re: Secure disk destruction [was Re: Floppy recovery]

2016-01-07 Thread drlegendre .
What's wrong with the "disassemble and rend with heavy hammer" approach? Doesn't that render the platters un-readable, if done with sufficient ardor? On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Stefan Skoglund (lokal < stefan.skogl...@agj.net> wrote: > tor 2016-01-07 klockan 15:08 -0500 skrev Mouse: > > > We

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Guy Sotomayor
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Mouse wrote: > >>> I don't trust the vendor's internal security to keep the key from >>> leaking and I don't trust the vendor's HR security to prevent >>> malware authors from making it to the inside, and I *sure* don't >>> trust the vendor to resist a request from

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Mouse
>> I don't trust the vendor's internal security to keep the key from >> leaking and I don't trust the vendor's HR security to prevent >> malware authors from making it to the inside, and I *sure* don't >> trust the vendor to resist a request from law enforcement [...] > I donâ¿¿t know if itâ¿¿s typ

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Guy Sotomayor
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Mouse wrote: > > >>> Even if your SED doesn't have a back door or badly implemented >>> crypto, you also have to worry about whether someone has managed to >>> install compromised firmware on it. >> The key here is the use of signed firmware, which I believe is the

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Mouse
>>> If you want data security and don't like destroying your hardware, >>> SED ("sel$ >> You're assuming that the SED doesn't store an extra copy of the >> decryption key in NVM or on the medium. That was my initial reaction too! >> Also, reverse-engineering has shown that at least some SEDs have

Re: Secure disk destruction [was Re: Floppy recovery]

2016-01-07 Thread Stefan Skoglund (lokal
tor 2016-01-07 klockan 15:08 -0500 skrev Mouse: > > Well, if you don't have access to thermite [...] > > Actually, red heat is well above the Curie temperature for most media, > isn't it? You could chuck the platters into the coals of a bonfire, > let them get up to a nice cherry red. Depending

Re: Cloning a PCB

2016-01-07 Thread wulfman
I reverse engineer boards as a hobby i produce full schematics and can also replicate PC boards I have the boards produced in china. should be cheaper now that china is crashing and burning just takes time and money On 1/7/2016 3:11 PM, Glen Slick wrote: > On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Mike St

Re: Cloning a PCB

2016-01-07 Thread Glen Slick
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Mike Stein wrote: > Any suggestions/hints/experience/links regarding the best/easiest way to > clone a (two-sided) PCB, i.e. create a Gerber or equivalent file from a PCB > layout instead of a schematic? > Easiest? Throw some money at having someone do the work f

Re: s100

2016-01-07 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2016-Jan-07, at 11:13 AM, nierveze wrote: > first am 1 on the correct channel?? > I have several S100 boards , found 25 years ago, > ... > I wonder how it is possible to address more than 64K (rams+eprom)with a Z80 . S100 memory boards often incorporated a bank-switching scheme to allow for m

Cloning a PCB

2016-01-07 Thread Mike Stein
Any suggestions/hints/experience/links regarding the best/easiest way to clone a (two-sided) PCB, i.e. create a Gerber or equivalent file from a PCB layout instead of a schematic? TIA, m

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Paul Koning wrote: >> If you want data security and don't like destroying your hardware, SED >> ("self-encrypting drives") are a solution. Those encrypt all data, and >> "erase" by discarding and replacing the

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > If you want data security and don't like destroying your hardware, SED > ("self-encrypting drives") are a solution. Those encrypt all data, and > "erase" by discarding and replacing the data encryption key. So all your > sectors instantly tu

Re: I COULD JUST KICK MYSELF IN THE BUTT!!! commodore pet . . .

2016-01-07 Thread William Donzelli
> I don't know if > any of you remember when they switched over to the unlimited monthly > plan but as for in Oregon AOL Servers crashed for about 3 months from > such a heavy load of members dialing up and connecting quick question > here _*<--- Did this happen in your area if so where were yo

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > On 01/07/2016 09:36 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >> I've heard that there are "standards" for a number of overwrites, and >> what patterns to use, . . . > > The paper that got the most notice was from Peter Gutmann from the early 90s. > > https:

s100

2016-01-07 Thread nierveze
hello everyone , first am 1 on the correct channel?? I have several S100 boards , found 25 years ago, kept in my cellar and forgottenfortunately they are still in good conditions , all circuits are standard ttl (only a few proms) ,and all circuits are on sockets so all is easy to repair. I c

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Fred Cisin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Floppy recovery >>> I've heard that there are "standards" for a number of overwrites, and >>> what patterns to use, . . . > > On Thu, 7

RE: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist)

2016-01-07 Thread Rich Alderson
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Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Fred Cisin
I've heard that there are "standards" for a number of overwrites, and what patterns to use, . . . On Thu, 7 Jan 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: The paper that got the most notice was from Peter Gutmann from the early 90s. https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html Thank you! That

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/07/2016 09:36 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: I've heard that there are "standards" for a number of overwrites, and what patterns to use, . . . The paper that got the most notice was from Peter Gutmann from the early 90s. https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html --Chuck

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Fred Cisin
1) if the alignment of the head of the original recording and of the overwrite head are not a perfect match, then there can be some residual data somewhat off axis. On Thu, 7 Jan 2016, Christian Corti wrote: At a first thought I don't see how there can be residual data because there is the tun

Re: Conservation issue - shrink-wrapped manual

2016-01-07 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/6/16 9:42 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: I have a DEC manual (actually a Products Guide) still in its original shrink-wrap, and I'm interested in hearing opinions/rationales on whether or not I should keep it like that The CHM archivists tell me shrink wrap will continue to shrink, and it sho

Re: PDP-8 core memory for sale (_not_ from me)

2016-01-07 Thread Zane Healy
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > So there's this item: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/262217954449 > > I'm not an -8 person, so maybe there's some reason nobody's biting, > but if not, I thought I'd point it out. > > Noel It could be because there is no core plane sh

Re: PDP-8 core memory for sale (_not_ from me)

2016-01-07 Thread Rod Smallwood
On 07/01/2016 14:03, Noel Chiappa wrote: So there's this item: http://www.ebay.com/itm/262217954449 I'm not an -8 person, so maybe there's some reason nobody's biting, but if not, I thought I'd point it out. Noel Core is quite delicate stuff. I'd want to see a good long printout o

PDP-8 core memory for sale (_not_ from me)

2016-01-07 Thread Noel Chiappa
So there's this item: http://www.ebay.com/itm/262217954449 I'm not an -8 person, so maybe there's some reason nobody's biting, but if not, I thought I'd point it out. Noel

Front panel update

2016-01-07 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi Guys Just got back from the silk screeners. Panels everywhere!! Final layers (Amber and white ) going on. Customising insets for type A and B ready Front is now matt black as per requests. They are sourcing some ready made packaging and plastic cloth. Its that soft stuff you

Re: Floppy recovery

2016-01-07 Thread Christian Corti
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: 1) if the alignment of the head of the original recording and of the overwrite head are not a perfect match, then there can be some residual data somewhat off axis. At a first thought I don't see how there can be residual data because there is the tunnel