PDP 8/A restoration (update to squaring up card cage)

2016-03-09 Thread jwsmobile
One of the photos of the PDP 8/A 400 came from this Herb Johnson page, which is a diary of what I'm going to be doing after I true up the card cage. Excellent looking diary of what to check with the unit I have. Hopefully with less drama and more things checking out. http://www.retrotechn

Re: OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread Paul Anderson
I also don't know if I will ever use my darkroom again, and have Omega D2, other enlargers, print washers and dyers, etc that I don't need. On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: > Popular or Modern Photography 20 or 30 years ago had an article on the 10 > best lens ever made. I t

Re: OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread Paul Anderson
Popular or Modern Photography 20 or 30 years ago had an article on the 10 best lens ever made. I think Zeiss made 3 of them, and they were the only company with more than one. I know there are a lot of great optics out there, but I still love Zeiss. I have several Zeiss cameras, binoculars, micro

Re: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Mouse wrote: >> I have also considered selling the units (or parts thereof) if >> nothing gives. > > If it comes to that, I am quite sure you will find buyers for at least > some of it; heck, for a QBus SCSI interface I'd pony up some cash > myself (and there aren't

Re: Speaking of card cages...

2016-03-09 Thread jwsmobile
On 3/9/2016 3:16 PM, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: Marc Howard: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:51 AM Has anyone ever reproduced the card guides used in the 8/A chassis? I assume these are identical to those used in PDP-11s as well. My are beyond brittle. I have 3D printed the ones here: h

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2016 08:43 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 03/09/2016 08:49 AM, Jon Elson wrote: The row of red LEDs at the bottom of the pic is the front panel of the 7300 CPU. They had an industrial control bus that allowed you to connect a wide variety of interface boards, like encoder counters, DACs

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Pete Lancashire
Had my numbers mixed PLC-2 family 1772-M8 and -M16 Pretty bad since one is about 20 feet away from me -pete On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/09/2016 11:30 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > >> Before uP's many used bit slice's I'm slowly putting together a >> Westinghouse Num

Re: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Mouse
> I have also considered selling the units (or parts thereof) if > nothing gives. If it comes to that, I am quite sure you will find buyers for at least some of it; heck, for a QBus SCSI interface I'd pony up some cash myself (and there aren't many things I'd be interested enough in to more than c

RE: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > If it has a DELQA then you should be able to netboot it without issue. You > don't need to set up DECnet under linux though. All you need is SIMH running > DECnet (and possibly a cluster, I do it with a cluster, but I am not 100% sure > it *has* to be a cluster). You just need a VMS ISO and you

Re: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Peter Coghlan
I have two KA-675s for this beast: Board #1 (originally installed) has a failed B-cache (console reports SUBTEST_35_12, DE_B_Cache_diag_mode.LIS) and crashes with an asynchronous write memory failure when booting VMS from CD. I wonder is there a way to disable the B-cache? I mention

Re: Speaking of card cages...

2016-03-09 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: Marc Howard: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:51 AM Has anyone ever reproduced the card guides used in the 8/A chassis? I assume these are identical to those used in PDP-11s as well. My are beyond brittle. I have 3D printed the ones here: http://www.so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/cad/3d.php http://

Re: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Dennis Boone
> Box #1 is a VAX4000 model 400 with no working CPU (KA-675) and 2x > 32Mb RAM, an RF72 (wiped), plus a KZQSA QBUS controller. PSU is good, > fans squeal on startup but run silently once spun up. Have VMS > installation media in CD. If you can sort out the CPU issue, you probably have enough h

Re: Speaking of card cages...

2016-03-09 Thread jwsmobile
On 3/9/2016 12:20 PM, Henk Gooijen wrote: -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Marc Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:51 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only Subject: Speaking of card cages... Has anyone ever reproduced the card guides used in the 8/A chassis? I assume the

RE: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Robert Jarratt
> -Original Message- > From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dr. > Roland Schregle > Sent: 09 March 2016 20:39 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200 > > On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:29:56 +0

Re: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Robert Jarratt wrote: > > I don't have a 3200, nor can I find a manual, but since it looks to be more > modern than a 2000, and apparently supports an RD54, then I would have > thought the console firmware could format it. On the 2000 TEST 71 will check > the di

Re: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Dr. Roland Schregle
On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:29:56 +0100, Robert Jarratt wrote: You could run the 3200 by netbooting it from a SIMH instance of VMS. If the RD54 was formatted (and working!) then you could transfer VMS onto the disk from the boot node. G'day Rob, thanks for the quick reply. I've contemplated

Re: OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread COURYHOUSE
I need a 90 mm summacron for my m2 (drop me a line off list if anyone has one) Yes I know the 105 f 2.5 nikkor you speak of great sharp portrait length lens for the nikon F! we have a small 105 mm red dot Goertz we used for copy work on 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 in compur

Re: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2016-Mar-09, at 3:35 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > On 09/03/2016 18:36, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: >> >> On 3/9/2016 1:03 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: >>> In a message dated 3/2/2016 3:32:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >>> rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com writes: >>> >>> ... >>> >>> The only pro

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Paul Berger
On 2016-03-09 8:36 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: ... I suspect that the nuclear power industry is one place that you'll find the oldest stuff, however, given the long regulatory approval process for change. I remember a nucle

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Chuck Guzis
Early minicomputers were part of the electronics business itself. Witness the Fairchild Sentry ATE gear using the FST-1 minicomputer at around the time that Fairchild was rolling out its TTL and Macrologic lines. 24-bit more-or-less general-purpose. I believe I wrote about what I'd deduced a

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 03/09/2016 08:49 AM, Jon Elson wrote: The row of red LEDs at the bottom of the pic is the front panel of the 7300 CPU. They had an industrial control bus that allowed you to connect a wide variety of interface boards, like encoder counters, DACs, digital inputs and outputs, etc. It used ba

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Randy Dawson
I had the 'opportunity' to take apart 80's era programmable logic controllers: Gould Modicon 584:AMD 2901 bitslice based TI 520, pm 550: TMS 9900 (no suprise here) TI 565: (Motorola 68000, after designers complained to mgmt, dont force us to use ti micros) Allen Bradley PLC2:AMD 2901, per

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2016 11:30 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote: Before uP's many used bit slice's I'm slowly putting together a Westinghouse Numa-Logic 700 and 1200 setup. (BTW anyone have parts, software, etc ?). In my opinion Modicom was the best, did not need external cooling, A/B has clout thus pretty much d

Re: Sequoia Computer Systems?

2016-03-09 Thread jwsmobile
On 3/9/2016 3:08 PM, Jay West wrote: Anyone have any pictures, datasheets, or other ephemera related to Sequoia Systems line of fault tolerant systems? I recall them and am looking for info about them. I'll post on the FB Pick group as I know there are several developers who did the i

Re: OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread Zane Healy
> On Mar 9, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >>> posters! The lens was a Goerz Red Dot Artar and the sharpest flat >>> field lens > On Wed, 9 Mar 2016, Rod Smallwood wrote: >> Thanks,, >> Our cam was fitted with a high grade Ziess lens that cost a fortune even >> then, > > Zeiss

OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread Fred Cisin
posters! The lens was a Goerz Red Dot Artar and the sharpest flat field lens On Wed, 9 Mar 2016, Rod Smallwood wrote: Thanks,, Our cam was fitted with a high grade Ziess lens that cost a fortune even then, Zeiss made a lot of lenses, some of which were great. Goerz made a few of the

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: ... I suspect that the nuclear power industry is one place that you'll find the oldest stuff, however, given the long regulatory approval process for change. I remember a nuclear reactor (research, not power generation)

RE: tops20 assembly tutorials

2016-03-09 Thread David Griffith
On Tue, 8 Mar 2016, Rich Alderson wrote: From: David Griffith Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:53 PM Specifically I'm trying to build and run this: TITLE HACK SEARCH MONSYM HACK: SKIPA 4,[^D4] HACK0: SOJL 4,TRAILL SETZB 1,3 HACK1: TLNE 1,77 JRST

Re: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread Rod Smallwood
On 09/03/2016 18:36, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: On 3/9/2016 1:03 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/2/2016 3:32:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com writes: ... The only process deviations I have allowed myself are as follows: Rod, very interesti

Re: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread Rod Smallwood
Thanks,, Our cam was fitted with a high grade Ziess lens that cost a fortune even then, Rod On 09/03/2016 18:03, couryho...@aol.com wrote: ""The cameras (they were huge) and the darkend rooms they worked in no longer exist."" These cameras you speak of were wonderful I rode a

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread steven
Original Message Subject: Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers From:"Brent Hilpert" Date:Thu, March 10, 2016 6:49 am To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ---

Sequoia Computer Systems?

2016-03-09 Thread Jay West
Anyone have any pictures, datasheets, or other ephemera related to Sequoia Systems line of fault tolerant systems? This is unrelated to the "IBM Sequoia". The Sequoia computers I'm referring to were around roughly '86+ish maybe and were fairly large minicomputers. Their claim to fame was being

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Commodore64Killer
On 03/09/2016 11:49 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On 03/09/2016 09:28 AM, william degnan wrote: Not a lot is said about early use of microprocessors in industrial microcomputers. Everything you read about is so home computing oriented, but I believe actual sales would have been greater in the industr

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 03/09/2016 11:36 AM, william degnan wrote: Obviously different than the first microcomputers designed for smaller tasks in an industrial setting, but I agree that certainly the last of the Win 2000 systems are still churning away customize applications for business purposes in the backrooms o

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2016-Mar-09, at 7:28 AM, william degnan wrote: > Not a lot is said about early use of microprocessors in industrial > microcomputers. Everything you read about is so home computing oriented, > but I believe actual sales would have been greater in the industrial space > 1974-77. > Yes, I'd agr

Re: VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

2016-03-09 Thread devin davison
I do not know much at all about what it would take to compile this into a working system. My first step is going to be to get over to the library and get everything into a digital format. Ill be putting everything i scan up online. If there is a copy of the source on CD that someone can spare that

RE: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Robert Jarratt
> -Original Message- > From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dr. > Roland Schregle > Sent: 09 March 2016 18:27 > To: ClassicCmp Tech > Subject: Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200 > > Dear all, > > I have two VAXen that I'd like to resurre

Re: Speaking of card cages...

2016-03-09 Thread Henk Gooijen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Marc Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:51 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only Subject: Speaking of card cages... Has anyone ever reproduced the card guides used in the 8/A chassis? I assume these are identical to those used in PDP-11s

Speaking of card cages...

2016-03-09 Thread Marc Howard
Has anyone ever reproduced the card guides used in the 8/A chassis? I assume these are identical to those used in PDP-11s as well. My are beyond brittle. Thanks, Marc

Options for resurrecting VAX 4000/400 and Vaxstation 3200

2016-03-09 Thread Dr. Roland Schregle
Dear all, I have two VAXen that I'd like to resurrect simply for the sake of playing around with The Real Thing[tm] running VMS. Note that I'm completely new to VMS and DEC hardware -- hence the interest! Box #1 is a VAX4000 model 400 with no working CPU (KA-675) and 2x 32Mb RAM, an RF72

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Pete Lancashire
Before uP's many used bit slice's I'm slowly putting together a Westinghouse Numa-Logic 700 and 1200 setup. (BTW anyone have parts, software, etc ?). In my opinion Modicom was the best, did not need external cooling, A/B has clout thus pretty much dominated. Did you know they used core at first an

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > On 03/09/2016 09:28 AM, william degnan wrote: > >> Not a lot is said about early use of microprocessors in industrial >> microcomputers. Everything you read about is so home computing >> oriented, but I believe actual sales would have been g

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread william degnan
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 2:36 PM, william degnan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Paul Koning > wrote: > >> >> > On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> > ... >> > I suspect that the nuclear power industry is one place that you'll find >> the oldest stuff, however, given the

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread william degnan
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > ... > > I suspect that the nuclear power industry is one place that you'll find > the oldest stuff, however, given the long regulatory approval process for > change. > > I remember a nucle

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > ... > I suspect that the nuclear power industry is one place that you'll find the > oldest stuff, however, given the long regulatory approval process for change. I remember a nuclear reactor (research, not power generation) controlled by a PDP

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 03/09/2016 09:28 AM, william degnan wrote: Not a lot is said about early use of microprocessors in industrial microcomputers. Everything you read about is so home computing oriented, but I believe actual sales would have been greater in the industrial space Do you count that 1-bit MC14500

OpenBSD drops support for VAX

2016-03-09 Thread Ian Finder
A sad day indeed... :( https://twitter.com/MiodVallat/status/707636166112182272 -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
On 3/9/2016 1:03 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/2/2016 3:32:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com writes: ... The only process deviations I have allowed myself are as follows: Rod, very interesting! Do you have a description of the full pr

Re: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-09 Thread COURYHOUSE
""The cameras (they were huge) and the darkend rooms they worked in no longer exist."" These cameras you speak of were wonderful I rode a Robetson for part of a summer making halftones and line shots for a print shop in AZ here. In my off time I was allowed to shoot all t

Re: Dumping Images of my VAX-11/730's Drives?

2016-03-09 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 08/03/16 23:21, Peter Coghlan wrote: Savesets produced using VMS BACKUP are the ideal way to archive your VMS system. They will save everything you need in a format which can be restored onto any disk big enough to hold the data, selectively if necessary, while dealing with any errors on the

Re: VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

2016-03-09 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 09/03/16 15:17, Mouse wrote: I think this is likely to be source listings (ie the assembler/compiler output after assembling/compiling the actual source code), at least that's what I have. [...] For many purposes, of course, that's just as good, maybe even better. If you really want to rebu

Re: Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2016 09:28 AM, william degnan wrote: Not a lot is said about early use of microprocessors in industrial microcomputers. Everything you read about is so home computing oriented, but I believe actual sales would have been greater in the industrial space 1974-77. I compiled a quick thread

Re: Available: Q1 Corporation Q1 Lite

2016-03-09 Thread Todd Killingsworth
Ah - of course. I'm in the US. Someone should give it a good home though. Todd Killingsworth On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Mattis Lind wrote: > Sorry. Should have mentioned that it is in Sweden. > > /Mattis > > 2016-03-09 14:33 GMT+01:00 Todd Killingsworth < > killingsworth.t...@gmail.com> >

Early Microprocessors in Industrial Microcomputers

2016-03-09 Thread william degnan
Not a lot is said about early use of microprocessors in industrial microcomputers. Everything you read about is so home computing oriented, but I believe actual sales would have been greater in the industrial space 1974-77. I compiled a quick thread on my site about the earliest use of microproce

Re: VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

2016-03-09 Thread Mouse
> I think this is likely to be source listings (ie the > assembler/compiler output after assembling/compiling the actual > source code), at least that's what I have. [...] For many purposes, of course, that's just as good, maybe even better. If you really want to rebuild the system yourself, you

Re: Available: Q1 Corporation Q1 Lite

2016-03-09 Thread Mattis Lind
Sorry. Should have mentioned that it is in Sweden. /Mattis 2016-03-09 14:33 GMT+01:00 Todd Killingsworth : > Looks interesting. Where are you located? > > Todd Killingsworth > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Mattis Lind wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > We are considering (haven't decided 100% ye

Re: Available: Q1 Corporation Q1 Lite

2016-03-09 Thread Todd Killingsworth
Looks interesting. Where are you located? Todd Killingsworth On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Mattis Lind wrote: > Hello! > > We are considering (haven't decided 100% yet) to not keep the Q1 Lite > system we have. > > Here are some pictures: > > > https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-rp4vy

Available: Q1 Corporation Q1 Lite

2016-03-09 Thread Mattis Lind
Hello! We are considering (haven't decided 100% yet) to not keep the Q1 Lite system we have. Here are some pictures: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-rp4vyPPYu1d2pRTVM5TmM0UEU&usp=sharing It is a 8080 system with PL/1 built into to ROMs. Vintage 1975-76.It has a plasma screen and comes

RE: Tweaked card cage

2016-03-09 Thread tony duell
> Anyone have any idea on how they handled this? I'm thinking of using > some blocking and then a 36 or 48" pipe clamp to apply diagonal > persuasion to get it back in true. In general screw-type mechanisms are good for providing controllable force for jobs like this. I've used a screw-operated

Re: VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

2016-03-09 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > I purchased a DEC VMS 4.4 source code microfiche set a while back. A buddy > of mine works at a local library where there is a fancy microfiche scanner, > I'm planning to scan it all. Some of the film is scratched pretty bad, does > anyone else around here have this set, so that i can recover t

Re: Tweaked card cage

2016-03-09 Thread Paul Anderson
Hi Jim, Could you pet a small hydrolic jack inside and put 2 x 4s on the straight with the jack on them and slowly push the opposite side out? Paul On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 2:15 AM, jwsmobile wrote: > I've got a PDP8/A chassis which has a card cage that has been tweaked off > in the front just a

Tweaked card cage

2016-03-09 Thread jwsmobile
I've got a PDP8/A chassis which has a card cage that has been tweaked off in the front just a hair. Enough that you can't get the cards in by an interference amount of clearance. Anyone have any idea on how they handled this? I'm thinking of using some blocking and then a 36 or 48" pipe clam