Re: Odd "endianness" [was Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list]

2016-12-08 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Rich Alderson writes: > The 5 characters per word is irrelevant to a discussion of tape, whether > 9- or 7-track: That's how ASCII text was represented in memory, on disk, > on DECtape, or on any other word-oriented medium. Representing the bits > in an ASCII

Re: AT IBM Industrial's for sale (Ebay warning)

2016-12-08 Thread jim stephens
I've not laid hands on any yet, I ordered up 5 for stock. I do know from the friend I mentioned that the bus is a bit odd, but only that it is faster in some timing than regular AT. But regular ISA cards did fit. These were in toll booths running printers, so may have been loud, no data on

RE: AT IBM Industrial's for sale (Ebay warning)

2016-12-08 Thread Ali
> I have contact with a motivated seller who has a huge bunch of IBM > Industrial systems to sell. They are Model 7587, and were used on the > Kansas Turnpike to run printers and the like (maybe other stuff). Just to clarify these are much later machines then the Industrial AT type - which can

Re: EMACS folly

2016-12-08 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Rich Alderson wrote: > > Hey, do you have any VAXen over there? How about getting an early > > Emacs running on those? > > We have a VAX-11/780-5 (a 780 field upgraded to a 785) running VMS I'll let someone else do the VMS stuff. DECUSLIB has a copy of GNU Emacs 15, possibly the very first

AT IBM Industrial's for sale (Ebay warning)

2016-12-08 Thread jim stephens
I have contact with a motivated seller who has a huge bunch of IBM Industrial systems to sell. They are Model 7587, and were used on the Kansas Turnpike to run printers and the like (maybe other stuff). he has about 50 of the things and has them listed for $15 bucks, but is motivated to sell any

Re: Odd "endianness" [was Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list]

2016-12-08 Thread jim stephens
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 12/07/2016 11:03 PM, jim stephens wrote: > > > > I must have the wrong mindset. Does computer chess hold any interest > today? Or is the matter of machine-over-human pretty much a fait accompli? > > --Chuck > > I'll run

RE: Odd "endianness" [was Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list]

2016-12-08 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Chuck Guzis Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:43 PM > On 12/07/2016 12:46 PM, Rich Alderson wrote: >> Neither of those is entirely accurate. 9-track tapes on the PDP-10 >> used one of the following encodings: > The last time that I had to deal with PDP-10 tapes, admittedly also 40 >

RE: EMACS folly

2016-12-08 Thread Rich Alderson
Hi, Lars, I actually met someone once who tried to implement an interpreter for TECO code in Emacs Lisp, in order to load EMACS.:EJ and run it, just for the hack value. I don't know whether he ever completed the project. :-) We have a VAX-11/780-5 (a 780 field upgraded to a 785) running VMS 7.3.

Re: Odd "endianness" [was Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list]

2016-12-08 Thread Cameron Kaiser
> > I have an old computer that was intended to do FFTs. It has a > > complete bit order swap, MSB to LSB, instruction. > > Well, there's the PowerPC "endian" mode (settable in the MSR)--but it's > just "sort of"--the little-endian mode simply XORs the lower 3 bits of > the address with 111 (i.e.

Re: Odd "endianness" [was Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list]

2016-12-08 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/08/2016 05:08 PM, dwight wrote: > Not meaning to throw things to far off but on my > > NC4000 machine( 16 bit ), I found ByteSwap useful enough that I had it > > hard wired. > > I have an old computer that was intended to do FFTs. It has a > > complete bit order swap, MSB to LSB,

Re: Could somebody please help me identify this board?

2016-12-08 Thread Mike van Bokhoven
On 9/12/2016 10:17 a.m., Jon Elson wrote: On 12/07/2016 10:31 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Eric Smith wrote: Given that it's extended length anyhow, and thus not compliant with the bus spec, it doesn't really matter which side of the board the

Re: Odd "endianness" [was Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list]

2016-12-08 Thread dwight
Not meaning to throw things to far off but on my NC4000 machine( 16 bit ), I found ByteSwap useful enough that I had it hard wired. I have an old computer that was intended to do FFTs. It has a complete bit order swap, MSB to LSB, instruction. All interesting. Dwight

Re: Odd "endianness" [was Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list]

2016-12-08 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Rich Alderson > 9-track tapes on the PDP-10 used one of the following encodings: What about 7-track, any idea? I would assume 6 x 6-bit tape frames per 36-bit word, but that's just a guess. Noel

Re: Could somebody please help me identify this board?

2016-12-08 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/07/2016 10:31 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Eric Smith wrote: Given that it's extended length anyhow, and thus not compliant with the bus spec, it doesn't really matter which side of the board the components are on, other than it precludes

Re: VAX expert 'needed'

2016-12-08 Thread Ian S. King
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Torfinn Ingolfsen > > > Where to should one send account requests? There doesn't seem to be a > > registration page on that wiki. > > Per the note on the main page: > >

Re: Odd "endianness" [was Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list]

2016-12-08 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/07/2016 11:03 PM, jim stephens wrote: > The Multics version I saw came from a Fortran version taken from a > PDP10. If I'm not mistaken it was directly from the timeshare > system they used in Billerica,Ma where Don Woods worked. After some > massaging it was unleashed on Multics. Most

Re: VAX expert 'needed'

2016-12-08 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Torfinn Ingolfsen > Where to should one send account requests? There doesn't seem to be a > registration page on that wiki. Per the note on the main page: http://gunkies.org/wiki/Main_Page on the right hand side, one needs to send email to Tore (tore...@gmail.com),

Re: VAX expert 'needed'

2016-12-08 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello! On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> So, looking at the list of 'wanted pages' on the Computer History' wiki: >> >> http://gunkies.org/wiki/Special:WantedPages >> >>

Brother TC-600 Terminal/Typewriter

2016-12-08 Thread Martin.Hepperle
Hi, recently I acquired a 1980s Typewriter, a Brother TC-600. While not exactly a classic computer, this typewriter was often used as a low cost printing terminal (aka teletype). It has a serial interface and I was able to connect it to my PC. I can SEND characters and text files to a terminal