I teach 7th - 12th grade Science (all of them) and Computing at a very
rural Little Red Brick K-12 Schoolhouse beyond The Middle of Nowhere in
Montana. Even waay out here, there are kids who just love, love, love
retro 80s games, and no, emulators will not cut it, thank you very much.
We recen
> On 12/12/18 6:58 AM, David Griffith via cctalk wrote:
>
> > That's got me thinking... Suppose I redesign the P112 board to take a
> > Z280 CPU. Would you guys go for it? I'd like to come up with a way
> > to use a socketed CPU or put a surface-mounted chip on a carrier board
> > to allow greate
There is an auction for some kind of early DEC module. It appears to be a
bit slice of MB, AR and MQ. There is also a signature by Gordon Bell on the
board.
But I cannot figure out which early machine it comes from.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-DEC-6205-Arithmetic-Registers-Circuit-Board-for-
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote:
>
> I also know that the DS20 mother boards had hardware on them such as USB
> controllers and maybe SCSI controllers that were not supported by either
> OS.
>
I recall having a retired DS20 doing light duties back at the office. It
used to cr
It could be a prototype that never made it to production, internal
automated test gear or a bespoke job.
Rod
On 21/12/2018 10:49, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
There is an auction for some kind of early DEC module. It appears to be a
bit slice of MB, AR and MQ. There is also a signature by Go
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:
>
> OK, so it's down *to* the bunker or down *in* the bunker. I'm just asking
> because of my language geekery. I still don't know, though, whether "down
> the bunker" without a preposition is idiomatic in some dialect of English I
> don't
we are mirroring here (1)
hope it helps
(1)
http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/reloaded/bazaar/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=202&sid=302117dda790dc697965820e0ad44f0e
Il giorno gio 20 dic 2018 alle ore 19:58 Electronics Plus via cctalk
ha scritto:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gqr3JHyV1
Den fre 21 dec. 2018 kl 12:03 skrev Rod Smallwood via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:
> It could be a prototype that never made it to production, internal
> automated test gear or a bespoke job.
>
Do you know or just guessing? Why would it be some kind of test gear with a
AR, MQ, and MB designat
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/FPG1_MiSTer
Emulates pdp1 crt paper tape.
Real fun.
> From: Mattis Lind
> I cannot figure out which early machine it comes from.
They're called 'System Modules':
http://gunkies.org/wiki/System_Module
and they were used from the PDP-1 through (I think) the PDP-7; at least, this
PDP-7 internals image:
https://www.soemtron.org/images/j
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lee via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/FPG1_MiSTer
>
> Emulates pdp1 crt paper tape.
>
> Real fun.
That's an impressive piece of work. I've been thinking about emulating a CRT
display in an FPGA, it's not a simple task but t
At 04:49 AM 12/21/2018, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
>There is an auction for some kind of early DEC module. It appears to be a
>bit slice of MB, AR and MQ. There is also a signature by Gordon Bell on the
>board.
Back in 2006 I asked Gordon Bell to confirm the provenance
of a similar board that I
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 8:19 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> The DEC brochure for it (P5141) is a little puzzling; it says (p. 2) that
> "INTEGRATED CIRCUITS are basic elements of the low cost, newly designed
> silicon FLIP CHIP modules used throughout PDP-7", but AFAIK, the firs
> through (I think) the PDP-7; at least, this PDP-7 internals image
> .. seems to show System Modules at the top, and FLIP CHIPs at the
> bottom.
After groveling through the 'PDP-7 Maintainence Manual' (F-77A), this seems to
be accurate. In "Module Identification" (pg. 6-5), it refers
> On Dec 20, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 12/20/18 6:59 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>> Websites are a huge inconvenience or imposition, email lists are not.
>
> I like Usenet too.
>
> I really like all three to be the same content. That way people can
> pa
Does anyone know where the 'Straight 8' name for the first PDP-8 model came
from? Obviously, it's probably a play on the car engine configuration name,
but how did the connection get made? Thanks - I hope!
Noel
Wouldn't a RPi-Zero Wireless be easier, cheaper, smaller, quicker?
Could even use a CM-3 in a custom case.
-Alan
On 2018-12-20 13:46, Carlo Pisani via cctech wrote:
The prototype (1) is already working; in the pic, there is a DHT board
with a Matrox Millennium video card, and a PCI-PS/2 c
> Wouldn't a RPi-Zero Wireless be easier, cheaper, smaller, quicker?
> Could even use a CM-3 in a custom case.
I have already given points to our reasons. Do you like RPI? Go and use it!
For months I have been trying to implement a "multi-vendor marketplace".
Without a budget, it is almost impossible. There is a free software,
Sellacious, which runs off Joomla. Out of the box, it does not work. It has
MAJOR security holes. However, it was the ONLY one I could find where more tha
Maybe of interest, maybe too new?
WTS SUN ULTRA 25 / 45 SATA H, REF, qty 15, CALL, Sun Ultra 25 / 45 Sata HDD
WTS The following Sun Ulta 25 / 45 Sata HDD :
390-0303 - 80GB Sata HDD - Qty 15
390-0351 - 160GB Sata HDD - Qty 15
Let me know qty you interested, and we send you prices include shipp
how u looked at wordpress?
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:33 AM Electronics Plus via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> For months I have been trying to implement a "multi-vendor marketplace".
> Without a budget, it is almost impossible. There is a free software,
> Sellacious, which runs off Joo
well, we tried to implement a new module, but ... yet again without a
budget, and without interest I personally dropped the whole project
http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/experimental-bay/app0.php
Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 16:33 Electronics Plus via cctalk
ha scritto:
>
> For mon
besides, the GPDR and this new hipster legal stuff (in Europe) are now
making things even more complex, especially if a website is involved
in e-commerce
.
Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 16:57 Carlo Pisani
ha scritto:
>
> well, we tried to implement a new module, but ... yet again without a
On 12/21/18 5:19 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> The DEC brochure for it (P5141) is a little puzzling; it says (p. 2) that
> "INTEGRATED CIRCUITS are basic elements of the low cost, newly designed
> silicon FLIP CHIP modules used throughout PDP-7", but AFAIK, the first FLIP
> CHIPs (R-seri
On 12/21/18 1:07 AM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote:
no, emulators will not cut it
Would you please expand upon that?
Are you saying that things like a Raspberry Pi running RetroPi (I think
that's the name) don't suffice / satisfy as the real thing that they are
emulating?
Or are you includin
On 12/21/2018 07:19 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> From: Mattis Lind
> I cannot figure out which early machine it comes from.
They're called 'System Modules':
http://gunkies.org/wiki/System_Module
and they were used from the PDP-1 through (I think) the PDP-7; at least, this
On 12/21/2018 09:33 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > through (I think) the PDP-7; at least, this PDP-7 internals image
> > .. seems to show System Modules at the top, and FLIP CHIPs at the
> > bottom.
>
> After groveling through the 'PDP-7 Maintainence Manual' (F-77A), this seems
> From: Allison
> IC as in digital logic were in production in the early 60s
Yes, but if you look at the picture/manual (I found a "Module location for
I/O" chart on pg. 335 of the PDP-7 Maint Manual - alas, not the whole
machine, just the FLIP CHIP part), the PDP-7 is all B-series and R-
On 12/21/2018 10:10 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> Does anyone know where the 'Straight 8' name for the first PDP-8 model came
> from? Obviously, it's probably a play on the car engine configuration name,
> but how did the connection get made? Thanks - I hope!
>
> Noel
>
ssrsly?
It was t
On 12/21/18 9:58 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
> On 12/21/2018 10:10 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
>> Does anyone know where the 'Straight 8' name for the first PDP-8 model came
>> from? Obviously, it's probably a play on the car engine configuration name,
>> but how did the connection get
On 12/21/2018 2:49 AM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
There is an auction for some kind of early DEC module. It appears to be a
bit slice of MB, AR and MQ. There is also a signature by Gordon Bell on the
board.
But I cannot figure out which early machine it comes from.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/V
> AFAIK, the first ICs (in the modern sense) on FLIP CHIPS were on M-series.
I think the W706 and W707 predated the M series by a hair, using
commercial MRTL (I think). These were the early TTY
receiver/transmitter cards.
--
Will
> From: Al Kossow
> "Straight-8" seems to be a fairly modern name coming from collectors
My _guess_ is that that probably happened because there is no formal 'model'
for that first one (unlike the first -11, which got re-named the -11/20
BITD), and people recently picked that to disambigu
On 12/21/18 10:03 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> "Straight-8" seems to be a fairly modern name coming from collectors
>
> I never heard it called that before then.
Anyone feel like doing a alt.sys.pdp-8 search for it by date?
I don't feel like going down the rathole of trying to find a wa
Or NGram.
--
Will
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:10 PM Al Kossow via cctalk
wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/21/18 10:03 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
> > "Straight-8" seems to be a fairly modern name coming from collectors
> >
> > I never heard it called that before then.
>
> Anyone feel like doing a alt.sy
On 12/21/18 10:16 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
> Or NGram.
>
didn't see anything meaningful, but "minicomputer" and "software" are fun
minicomputer peaks in 1980
Back in the first half the 20th century, there were various
configurations of 8-cylinder internal combustion engines.
We're all familiar with the V-8, but there were inline 8-cylinder
designs used primarily on luxury cars, making for a wonderfully long
engine compartment. Cord, Buick, Packard, Ch
Thank you Allison! I was trying to get my fingers to work and kept
having an attack of gasp how could someone not know?
Well said, hope you are doing GREAT!
bob smith, 8/e engineering, 8 engineering, DecComm11, LCG 2080
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:58 PM allison via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On 12/21/2018
On 12/21/2018 11:37 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Back in the first half the 20th century, there were various
configurations of 8-cylinder internal combustion engines.
We're all familiar with the V-8, but there were inline 8-cylinder
designs used primarily on luxury cars, making for a wonder
On 12/21/18 10:56 AM, ben via cctalk wrote:
> Now I got a stupid image of the newer models adding 6 bits on every
> other clock phase for a faster cpu.
>
Pratt & Whitney R-4360
>
>
>
> My _guess_ is that that probably happened because there is no formal
> 'model'
> for that first one (unlike the first -11, which got re-named the -11/20
> BITD), and people recently picked that to disambiguate them from all the
> other -8's.
>
>
>
The original PDP 11 was sold in two model o
>> people recently picked that to disambiguate them from all the other
>> -8's.
So my assumption (that it was recent) seems to be incorrect; I heard that it
was in use in the 60's to differentiate it (e.g. for knowing what spares to
take). Alas, with the origin that far back in time, we'll
>
>
>
> > From: Bill Degnan
>
> > The original PDP 11 was sold in two model options, although the
> numbers
> > did not appear on the faceplace, very clearly the model options were
> > called PDP 11/10 and PDP 11/20. ... The fact that the name does not
> > appear on the front p
On 12/21/18 1:10 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 12/21/18 10:03 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
"Straight-8" seems to be a fairly modern name coming from collectors
I never heard it called that before then.
Anyone feel like doing a alt.sys.pdp-8 search for it by date?
The PDP8-LOVERS ma
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> My _guess_ is that that probably happened because there is no formal
>> 'model'
>> for that first one (unlike the first -11, which got re-named the -11/20
>> BITD), and people recently picked that to disambiguate
> Could be--but I was pointed out that "straight eight" was an automotive
> term familiar to the laity that pre-dated DEC by a goodly number of
> years. We live in a world dominated by automobile marketing.
Some points to ponder:
The term Straight-9 is basically never heard when referring to the
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote:
I suspect the same common connection to "turbo", popularized by the auto
marketeers.
On the other hand, I've never seen a computer advertised with a
"Turbo-Hydra-Matic" or "Dynaflow" feature.
such as "turbo LAG"
Should look around the yards f
On 12/21/2018 01:10 PM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote:
>
> On 12/21/18 10:03 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
>> "Straight-8" seems to be a fairly modern name coming from collectors
>>
>> I never heard it called that before then.
> Anyone feel like doing a alt.sys.pdp-8 search for it by date?
>
> I d
On 12/21/18 11:32 AM, allison via cctech wrote:
> And the automotive reference was not it. It was the straight as in not
> later lettered
> versions. Best similar use is: Whiskey straight, water on the side.
Could be--but I was pointed out that "straight eight" was an automotive
term familiar
On 12/21/2018 3:07 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>
>
>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My _guess_ is that that probably happened because there is no formal
>>> 'model'
>>> for that first one (unlike the first -11, which got re-named the -11/
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM Jay Jaeger via cctalk
wrote:
> On 12/21/2018 3:07 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My _guess_ is that that probably happened because the
As someone that actually has to worry about such things, it’s *GDPR* (Global
Data Protection Regulation), not GPDR as you keep writing. And yes, it’s a
PITA for businesses and websites, but I for one wish we had something similar
in the US.
Zane
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Carlo Pisani vi
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 12/21/18 1:07 AM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote:
>> no, emulators will not cut it
>
> Would you please expand upon that?
>
> Are you saying that things like a Raspberry Pi running RetroPi (I think
> that's the name) don't
On 12/21/2018 4:00 PM, Bill Degnan wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM Jay Jaeger via cctalk
> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
>
> On 12/21/2018 3:07 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
> mailto:
> The original "Flip Chip" was a packaging failure. It was literally a die
> bonded to a PCB
> and never went into production.
>
> I think it is mentioned in "Computer Engineering"
>
> IBM perfected the techniques to do this later with the development of solder
> bumps and
> IR reflow.
Are you t
yea, that was it
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/XD37.80
I didn't know we had this example in the collection, they were
hybrids like IBM SLDs
Do you know of any module part numbers that used them?
On 12/21/18 2:40 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>> The original "Flip Chip" was a
> As someone that actually has to worry about such things
you mean as someone who received a legal threat for a project?
we got one for the DTB website, and it was not nice ...
it's one of the reasons why we dropped the experimental-bay since if
it involves a little business then things go even w
Hi, everyone:
In addition to the classic computers I play with, I also have a
collection of 1930 vintage radio equipment catalogs and magazines
collecting dust on my bookshelf.
Is there a similar mailing list for vintage radio guys? These books I
have need a new home
Cheers,
Brian
--
They use the same R and S numbers, just late revision suffices. I have
a machine made with them that sometimes even works. I have a bunch
that have had the gold fingers peeled off (don't blame me - I got them
this way).
--
Will
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 6:26 PM Al Kossow wrote:
>
> yea, that was it
> From: Bill Degnan
> It's pretty well researched at this point to be true to state that the
> first two PDP 11 models were the 11/10 and 11/20. It just takes a while
> for this to work its way through academia.
Some places got the message a while ago:
http://gunkies.org/w/inde
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/boatanchors
might be good.
73 Eugene W2HX
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Columbia
Valley Maker Space via cctalk
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 6:54 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Vintag
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
>> From: Paul Koning
>
>> I'm curious about that 1 kW read-only memory. What technology is that
>> memory? At that size and that date I suspect core rope, but that would
>> be pretty expensive (due to the labor involved)
On 12/21/18 3:30 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
I’m afraid I’ll have to agree with Jim here. When talking about
Retro Gaming, in most cases, the Raspberry Pi, while better than nothing,
aren’t as good as the real thing, especially in regards to video
and audio.
There's nothing to be afraid
On 12/21/18 4:49 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
you mean as someone who received a legal threat for a project? we got
one for the DTB website, and it was not nice ...
it's one of the reasons why we dropped the experimental-bay since if it
involves a little business then things go even wor
north amarican inforcement is most complaint based inforcement. were as
from what i know from friends in europe its proactive in many cases
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 7:23 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 12/21/18 4:49 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
> > you mean as
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 5:20 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 12/21/18 3:30 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>> I’m afraid I’ll have to agree with Jim here. When talking about Retro
>> Gaming, in most cases, the Raspberry Pi, while better than nothing, aren’t
>> as good as the real
I'd definitely be interested to hear if the DECheads on this list know
the specifics, but I'd gathered that it came about once other models
were introduced and the need arose to differentiate between, say, a
PDP-8/e and a "straight" (i.e. vanilla) PDP-8. The car connection
probably made the particu
On 12/21/2018 10:51 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 12/21/18 5:19 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
The DEC brochure for it (P5141) is a little puzzling; it says (p. 2) that
"INTEGRATED CIRCUITS are basic elements of the low cost, newly designed
silicon FLIP CHIP modules used throughout PD
On 12/21/2018 8:46 PM, John Ames via cctalk wrote:
I'd definitely be interested to hear if the DECheads on this list know
the specifics, but I'd gathered that it came about once other models
were introduced and the need arose to differentiate between, say, a
PDP-8/e and a "straight" (i.e. vanilla
I worked with PDP-8's from 1970 to 1975 and worked at DEC from 1975 to
1985.
I cannot recall the term 'Straight 8' ever being used.
I think it may have been referred to as the 'Model 8'
Rod Smallwood
On 22/12/2018 03:46, John Ames via cctalk wrote:
I'd definitely be interested to hear if th
On 12/21/2018 8:09 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
For the DPS-8, there really is only one option, and sadly GCOS-8 isn’t
available, only Multics. Still it’s pretty cool to finally be able to use
Multics, and it’s a lot more user friendly than GCOS-8 (I used to be a Systems
Analyst at a DPS
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:25 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 12/21/2018 8:09 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>
>> For the DPS-8, there really is only one option, and sadly GCOS-8 isn’t
>> available, only Multics. Still it’s pretty cool to finally be able to use
>> Multics, and it’s a lot mo
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 5:54 PM Columbia Valley Maker Space via cctalk
wrote:
> Is there a similar mailing list for vintage radio guys? These books I
> have need a new home
As the URL suggests, these guy(s) specialize in early radio history.
They also do a ton of scanning and host their own
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