Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 07:59:49PM -0500, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: [...] > > > Nope. All you have to do is go to eisner.decuserve.org and register > (follow my earlier instructions).  They don't care what country you > are from. All are welcome.  Do it now and get your OpenVMS Hobbyist

1st Annual Kennett Classic October 16-18 2020 - Mark your Calendars

2020-03-10 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Hey all - We have had soft-launched it on our website calendar a few months ago but I wanted to confirm that yes on October 16 - 18 2020 the first annual "Kennett Classic" weekend is scheduled and a GO; venue booked and implementation is under way. The centerpiece of the weekend will be a

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Chris Elmquist via cctalk
And if they went that way, it would be quite a big event in the supercomputing world because HPE now own both of the companies formerly known as SGI and Cray. Someone on the inside is attempting to explore why this is happening. If I hear anything, I will report back. If something positive

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Rod Smallwood via cctalk
On 11/03/2020 01:02, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/2020 6:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed.  Significantly for the worse. I'd be stunned if they existed in a form other that

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk > wrote: > > I'd be stunned if they existed in a form other that selling printers and > ink cartridges in 5 years time. HP sells printers, HPE owns the rights to VMS. These days they’re two different companies. Zane

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread John H. Reinhardt via cctalk
On 3/10/2020 6:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed. Significantly for the worse. I'd be stunned if they existed in a form other that selling printers and ink cartridges in 5 years time. They

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread John H. Reinhardt via cctalk
On 3/10/2020 1:17 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: I really liked the idea of running VMS on simh (and learning some more skills), even if I had to register online. But when I looked, it seemed I would have to make Polish users group first, became its only member and president (hehe) and only

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Mark Linimon via cctalk
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:41:33AM +0100, Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote: > What about the International Court of Justice? Hi, can we please not go down this route on this list? I'm drowning in such things on social media as it is. I like to hang out on this last as a refuge from all that.

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Doug Jackson via cctalk
Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed. Significantly for the worse. I'd be stunned if they existed in a form other that selling printers and ink cartridges in 5 years time. On Wed, 11 Mar. 2020, 10:42 am Patrick Finnegan via cctalk, <

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Patrick Finnegan via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 18:36 Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > On 3/9/20 10:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> but don't value the hobbyist market enough to try to help. > > > > Which costs them money with very likely no ROI. > > Some such companies spend money on advertising. A well run

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Holm Tiffe via cctalk
Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > > > Since HP is killing the Hobbyist program, you all should make a Hobbyist > > license key generator. > > > > That solves the issue forever. > > The difficulty is that people

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On 3/9/20 10:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we need

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk > wrote: > > > Since HP is killing the Hobbyist program, you all should make a Hobbyist > license key generator. > > That solves the issue forever. The difficulty is that people are looking for a solution that is legal.

RE: [EXTERNAL] IMSAI PCS 80 30 ROM (original)

2020-03-10 Thread rar via cctalk
Bill - I don't have an IMSAI PCS 80. But perhaps you would find something close in either a VDP-40 (never turned it on, 5.25" floppies) or a VDP-80. My VDP-80 got smashed in transit, but the ROMS could still be gone. Let me know if you want be to dig around Bob Roswell brosw...@syssrc.com

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
Since HP is killing the Hobbyist program, you all should make a Hobbyist license key generator. That solves the issue forever. - Ethan

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 09:48:55AM -0400, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: [...] > They would not care and it would have no effect on their bottom > line so why should they? I think it actually affects their bottom line, just in a way that would not make anybody fired, and this is why nobody

Re: Looking for Extended Industry Standard Architecture Revision 3.10 Specification

2020-03-10 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
I was forwarded a scan of chapter 4 It is now on line under http://bitsavers.org/pdf/bcprServices On 2/22/20 12:47 AM, Ali via cctalk wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone have the "Extended Industry Standard Architecture Revision 3.10" > specification either in printed/book form that they are willing

ISO National Instruments MPW DSP tools

2020-03-10 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
One shot in the dark if anyone has the DSP development or interface toolkit for NI's TMS320C30 Nubus cards. I have a bunch of boards but never found any software to use with them. This is probably LabView 2 or 3 timeframe. I see NI, who is normally pretty good with keeping manuals around doesn't

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Holm Tiffe via cctalk
4.3 BSD Quasijarus by M.Sokolov should be the last OS for VAXen, I had it run on a MVII with UC08, a Tandberg SLR5 and some SCSI disk. Should be still on the disk, have a copy on my webserver (www.tiffe.de/Robotron) and there is a github repository somewhere available. Regards, Holm Guy

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
Am I forgetting, but isn't BSD (4.3/4.4 as I recall) on the VAX? That seems more suitable for running on classic hardware than moving to something newer. Of course I got rid of all of my 11/780 and 11/785 systems (along with a smattering of VAXStations) years ago so I don't have any particular

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread js--- via cctalk
On 3/10/2020 8:48 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/20 2:31 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood via cctalk Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 To: Fred Cisin via cctalk Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk
On Tue, 2020-03-10 09:06:57 -0600, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:48 AM Peter Corlett via cctalk > wrote > > Linux has taken thirty years to get this far. It's arguable what > > is "major" but to a rough approximation, there are no good open > > source clones of

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Neil Thompson via cctalk wrote: I'm a genuine hobbyist - I've been trying to keep examples of every os/system I've ever worked with to play with now that I've retired (either hardware or emulation based). My VAX equipment turned to carbonised scrap due to lightning a while

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Neil Thompson via cctalk
I'm a genuine hobbyist - I've been trying to keep examples of every os/system I've ever worked with to play with now that I've retired (either hardware or emulation based). My VAX equipment turned to carbonised scrap due to lightning a while ago and I'm now emulation based and have been using the

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:48 AM Peter Corlett via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote > > 2. Declare that we need to develop an open replacement. > > There is FreeVMS, but there also doesn't seem to have been any progress on > it > in the last decade and its domain has been lost and taken over

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread John H. Reinhardt via cctalk
On 3/10/2020 8:48 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/20 2:31 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood via cctalk Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 To: Fred Cisin via cctalk Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/10/20 2:31 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood via cctalk Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 To: Fred Cisin via cctalk Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing On 10/03/2020 02:19, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/10/20 12:13 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/9/20 10:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we need to

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 10:07:45AM +1100, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: > At the end of the day there are three paths. > 1. Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the > abandoned operating system to fix the problem. Welcome to the eyepatch-and-parrot approach of the

Re: Update - Re: DEC paper, drives, PDUs, chassis, etc (Toronto, Ontario)

2020-03-10 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
As I mentioned, I have a TQK25 controller and bulkhead that will work with the TK25. Pick up one of his and it's yours for shipping. Or trade me a working RX50 or two for it, I can always use those. On 3/9/2020 6:19 PM, Toby Thain via cctech wrote: On 2020-02-13 4:26 PM, Toby Thain via cctech

IMSAI PCS 80 30 ROM (original)

2020-03-10 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Hi - I am looking for an IMSAI PCS 80-30 ROM image made for with the Tarbell 1011 controller and Persci 277..anyone have this? I received a system and drive but I think the ROM was replaced and since then I was told the system would no longer boot. In the meantime I am going to find a drive and

Update - Re: DEC paper, drives, PDUs, chassis, etc (Toronto, Ontario)

2020-03-10 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2020-02-13 4:26 PM, Toby Thain via cctech wrote: > Hi, > > I have access to some DEC items for a month or two before a house is > sold. Photographs are linked here: > > https://imgur.com/a/HqxI4JA > > I can locate and forward any items, if still available, for actual > shipping costs and any

RE: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood > via cctalk > Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 > To: Fred Cisin via cctalk > Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing > > On 10/03/2020 02:19, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug