Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 01:30:46 +0100 Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > In a future, all corpos will belong to AIs. And I guess AIs will be > interested in discovering more about their, hum, ancestry. And they > will be able to track down all remaining shoe boxen with punch cards, > and use

Re: Prime documentation

Dennis, On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 09:20:08PM -0400, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > I was able to reproduce the issue. When I repacked these using the > Rev. 22 MAGSAV, the install worked correctly. Here's the repacked tape > set: Many, many thanks!!! I'll give these a try tomorrow. For

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:06:04 -0400 Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > On 3/11/20 6:26 PM, Katherine Barto wrote: > > > > > >> On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > >> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > >> > >> On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote:

Re: Prime documentation

> I think I'm making progress. I don't know if I've encountered an > emulator issue, or if the primos_22.1.4_1of3.tap tape image from > Bitsavers is bad. I didn't encounter any errors unzipping the zip > archive it was in. When restoring logical tape number 2 from it, I > got an MT read

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/11/20 5:38 PM, Frank McConnell wrote: > That was well done. I just wish y'all had got FOCUS 9000 included in that. > Earlier than 68K and maybe HP didn’t have the bits any more but I think > some folks have some bits. It was all just luck and timing. The building that 1000 development

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 4:26 PM Katherine Barto via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 > >> Al

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

The PDP-11 and VAX versions of BSD have been freely available for years. As soon as V7 and 32V were declared open source, that meant that everybody had a valid Unix source license and were therefore eligible to download the BSDs. IIRC, Novell or Lucent or whoever owns the copyright these days also

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/11/2020 12:10 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 11/03/2020 00:59, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: Nope. All you have to do is go to eisner.decuserve.org and register (follow my earlier instructions).  They don't care what country you are from. All are welcome.  Do it now and

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Mar 11, 2020, at 8:08, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote (after Ethan O'Toole I think): >> Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge >> problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist >> license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party >> stuff. But

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 05:57:16PM +0100, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: [...] > Indeed so. AIUI this is the case with Symbolics OpenGenera. The > company went broke, the domain name sold off, all employees > terminated, etc... I am sure many of those workers were a little bit surprised about

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/11/20 6:26 PM, Katherine Barto wrote: On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote:

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 18:18:14 -0400 Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: (Regarding TI SysV) > > I assume SysV means Unix SysV. Unless there has been a change > I have not heard about nothing newer than V7 has been released > for use by the holders of the Unix IP. I have a copy of that >

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > On 11/03/2020 21:30, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> >> Sometimes we get lucky. Again, PLATO -- got permission to use it but the >> owner didn't have a copy. Fortunately, someone else did (an actual >> still-running

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

IIRC, System III is not really "legal", as it was never re-licensed with a BSD style license the way earlier editions were. Of course, the important thing was the open source release of V7 and 32V, as that allowed the various BSDs to be made freely available. 4.3BSD has much more in the way of

Re: Prime documentation

> I think I'm making progress. I don't know if I've encountered an > emulator issue, or if the primos_22.1.4_1of3.tap tape image from > Bitsavers is bad. I didn't encounter any errors unzipping the zip > archive it was in. When restoring logical tape number 2 from it, I > got an MT read

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:52:21 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > On 3/11/20 12:59 PM, James B DiGriz wrote: > > In which case, why not a FOSS release? > > Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was > VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. >

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 >> Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> Release of Classic HP3000 died for the same reason from the same >>> company. >>> >>

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/11/20 5:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Release of Classic HP3000 died for the same reason from the same company. After HP bought TI's DSG lines, TI SysV was eventually turned over to a 3rd party, who has so far

Re: Prime documentation

Dennis, On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 05:03:01PM -0400, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > These are the essential ones: > > -disk -split -part -dt -badlev > > Some of the others have less-abbreviated forms that would work, but are > not critical. > > Note that at the "Enter command line

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 11/03/2020 21:30, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Sometimes we get lucky. Again, PLATO -- got permission to use it but the owner didn't have a copy. Fortunately, someone else did (an actual still-running production system, on an actual CDC mainframe) and that person was willing to do the

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 11/03/2020 21:24, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what

Manual photocopies available

I have paper copies of a few manuals I have no use for. Most of these are single-sided photocopies made by others and sent to me for scanning years ago. These are not originals. Almost all of them appear to be available on bitsavers, but if you have a penchant for paper, this might be your

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was >> VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. >> They outsourced support to India,

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what happened to the software have vanished. So, in

Re: Prime documentation

> That might have worked. There were some prompt differences in the next > section compared to the install guide: > Partition CMDDEV created successfully. Yup, looks good. Background: there were some changes from rev to rev of the options to MAKE. E.g. some abbreviations changed or

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/11/20 12:59 PM, James B DiGriz wrote: > In which case, why not a FOSS release? Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what happened to the

Re: Prime documentation

Dennis, On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 04:32:00PM -0400, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > Try this instead: > > $ em -boot 10005 > [Prime Emulator ver 5350ae7 Feb 17 2020] > [Copyright (C) 2005-2012 Prirun LLC pri...@gmail.com] > Booting from file mt0 > [BOOT Rev. 23.4 Copyright

Re: Prime documentation

> [CPBOOT Rev. 19.0 Copyright (c) 1990, Prime Computer, Inc.]=20=20 > [BOOT Rev. 23.4 Copyright (c) 1993, Computervision Corp.] > RUN FILE TREENAME=3Dmake.save > BOOTING FROM MT0make.save > MAKECopyright (c) 1991, Prime Computer, Inc. > Enter command line options:

Re: Prime documentation

Dennis, On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 04:01:30PM -0400, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > If the disk container file is non-zero size, the make may have worked. The disk container file size is zero. > Otherwise, check the top of console.log, before the spin starts, and see > if there's anything

Re: Prime documentation

> something appeared to get stuck in a loop, displaying: > Press Enter to continue, h to halt... > over and over again. I eventually resorted to killing the emulator. > It took a kill -9 to get it to end. In case it gives any clues, > after killing it the error.log contained: I've

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > Release of Classic HP3000 died for the same reason from the same > company. > After HP bought TI's DSG lines, TI SysV was eventually turned over to a 3rd party, who has so far been unresponsive to my inquiries about possible

Re: Prime documentation

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 03:22:31PM -0400, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > Of particular use might be this writeup on installing PRIMOS Revs 22 or > 23 on the emulator. It's set up for the old demo version of the > emulator, so needs a fair amount of updating, but may help get you > started.

Prime documentation

For those interested in playing with Jim's emulator, a few resources: Bitsavers has some doco and bits: http://bitsavers.org/pdf/prime/ http://bitsavers.org/bits/Prime/ I have been assembling what I hope will be the definitive Prime info site. It's not complete, but contains manuals scanned

Re: Prime 50-Series emulator announcement

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:41:22AM -0400, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > I'm reposting this announcement from Jim Wilcoxson. > > Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:34:13 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Prime emulator source released on GitHub > From: Jim Wilcoxson > > Today, with

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

To see if HP is still issuing VAX hobby licenses, a few days ago I applied for same directly online. Today I received the following in a similar manner as others have described: Hello dear OpenVMS Hobbyist,   Please see

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 11/03/2020 00:59, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: Nope. All you have to do is go to eisner.decuserve.org and register (follow my earlier instructions).  They don't care what country you are from. All are welcome.  Do it now and get your OpenVMS Hobbyist license(s) that will last until

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 at 17:46, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > A company may close down, but that doesn't mean it is "gone" as far as its > property is concerned. Ownership passes to others, perhaps creditors or the > like, or the majority shareholder. Who that is may be quite hard to find

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > >> Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge >> problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist >> license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party >> stuff. But maybe now

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/10/20 9:24 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: On 11/03/2020 01:02, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/2020 6:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed.  Significantly for the worse. I'd

Prime 50-Series emulator announcement

I'm reposting this announcement from Jim Wilcoxson. De Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0c560b91-35d2-4dcc-b859-a8eb4d22b...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Prime emulator source released on GitHub From: Jim Wilcoxson Today, with much help

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/11/20 8:07 AM, Chris Elmquist via cctalk wrote: > No promises but my contact is at a fairly high level within HPE (and > formerly SGI) so I am hopeful it will at least get discussed. that's good. that is the only chance you have for getting anything done i'd also suggest using the CHM

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

> Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge > problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist > license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party > stuff. But maybe now that's it's expired, or all > the companies things were licensed from are

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Wednesday (03/11/2020 at 10:46AM -0400), Ethan O'Toole wrote: > >If something positive were to occur, IRIX might be able to be saved too. > >Chris > > Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a > huge problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist license for IRIX or >

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

If something positive were to occur, IRIX might be able to be saved too. Chris Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party stuff. But maybe now

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

The difficulty is that people are looking for a solution that is legal. paul They don't want hobbyists and computer collectors. They want people that can pay hugs sums of money. Usually these are people spending other people's money. -- : Ethan O'Toole

Make behavior on TOPS20 Panda distribution

I've successfully managed to get a simulated TOPS20 environment going with networking. Now there's a new strange hitch: the behavior of make. Would someone please look at this and tell me what I'm doing wrong? For a simple Makefile, it works fine if I just type "make", but if I type

RE: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of John H. > Reinhardt via cctalk > Sent: 10 March 2020 14:34 > To: Bill Gunshannon ; General Discussion: > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing > > On 3/10/2020 8:48 AM, Bill