On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ED SHARPE wrote:
These 2 have my vote as well
I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
Yes, of course. I'm exclusively using Alpine even at work.
Christian
>Eric Smith wrote:
>DEC MK11-B Field Maintenance Print Set, October 1977
Thanks, Eric! I was just about to post that I discovered it's also in the
PDP-11/04 maintenance print on Bitsavers, although it's not in the 11/34 print
- go figure...
I didn't actually need the schematic, although I
DEC MK11-B Field Maintenance Print Set, October 1977
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/1170/MK11-B_Field_Maintenance_Print_Set_Oct77_part2.pdf
pages 27 to 36 of the PDF file
On 6/9/2020 11:51 AM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:04 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
For the VXT-2000 with an H7109-B the rated voltage and current values
are printed right on the power supply label:
+5.1V, 7.81A
+12.1V, 0.62A
-12.1V, 0.46A
-9V, 0.2A
Fixed wi
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:48:19AM -0700, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
In this group, I doubt that I am the only one.
I use Mutt.
Can we restrict to TEXT emails?
Yes please!
Cheers,
Ángel
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:46 PM, Diane Bruce via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:41:39PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
>>>
>>> Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
>>
>> Philistin
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
>>
>> Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
>
> Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
And what’s wrong with Mu
And Lincoln had MN license plate “ETAOIN” on his rusted out Ford van and one of
the other guys in our “wiz kid” bunch had “SHRDLU” on his plates.
We later learned that the Eta were some kind of Spanish terrorist group and so
Neil liked that story better— we were going to terrorize the supercompu
I've just come into a couple of CSPI VME cards, an SC-3XL and an SC-4XL (both
with attached memory), and I was wondering if anyone has documentation.
They're based on the Intel i860 and intended for VME-based array processors.
-- Chris
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
If we do implement attachments that are limited to one SSDD 8" disk, can
there please be some technological way of chaining disk 'parts' to allow
larger attachments to be transmitted?
If you use MS-DOS, and have a large drive in addition to th
On 6/17/2020 4:44 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
If we do implement attachments that are limited to one SSDD 8" disk, can
there please be some technological way of chaining disk 'parts' to allow
larger attachments to be transmitted?
I am not turning my computer over, just to use the other
I'd be happy to host the list at firemountain.net, where a Mailman 2.X
instance has been happily running a few dozen public and private lists for
15-ish years (majordomo before that) (homebrew scripts before that).
No charge, no ads.
If the archives are available in mbox format (or something tha
I gave up on hosting my own email years ago when I was the recipient of
tens of thousands of spam messages per day, both to this and my business
email address. I now simply use gmail to handle email - seems like the G
beast has seen every bit of spam before, so the spam transfer rate is
approximat
Kind of OT:
I recall reading on some health forum that in a certain Japanese paint
factory, workers would put dried paint flakes under their tongues and then
spit them out, a-la homeopathically, to make them impervious to the
chemicals. It is believed to work by sending a signal to the gut "to
pre
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of ben via cctalk
> Sent: 17 June 2020 21:39
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Attachments
>
> On 6/17/2020 11:53 AM, Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/20 10:44 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> If we
We use groups,io for the tom swift discussion group real handy to post photos,
files and etc..
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 Chris Hanson via cctalk
wrote:
On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:50 AM, Tor Arntsen via cctalk
wrote:
>
There is also groups.io, and it has some very nice features compared to
I guess so, too. Connecting Amiga to plasma was probably the least
hassle of all alternatives. PC would need something special (either
card or converter?), and a hard drive, and a big box, and separate
keyboard and reboot every four(ty) days - Amiga 500 could be just
"stuffed under the rug". And a
Not exactly on subject, but problems designing the IBM 604 Electronic
Calculating Punch due to the use of existing vacuum tube designs is discussed
in section 2.4 of:
Charles J. Bashe, Lyle R. Johnson, John H. Palmer, and Emerson W. Pugh
IBM’s Early Computers
The MIT Press, 1986
The book says
Is there a schematic for the H7441 regulator anywhere? There are several
out there for the H744 but, although they are plug compatible, the H7441 is
totally different. The H744 uses an LM723, but in the 7441 DEC appears to
have rolled their own regulator using a bunch discrete parts and opamps
On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ED SHARPE @ AOHell.com via cctalk wrote:
>> These 2 have my vote as well
>> I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
>>
>>> The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction
> > > > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> > > >
> > > > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
> > >
> > > Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
> >
> > mutt!
>
> `less`, out of system spool.
tail -f $MAIL
But seriously, writt
On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:50 AM, Tor Arntsen via cctalk
wrote:
>
There is also groups.io, and it has some very nice features compared to
>
> Please please, no groups of any kinds. They're all horrible to use.
Do you mean "web forum" where you say "groups?"
> A
> genuine mailing list like thi
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:44:26PM -0400, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote:
> mutt!
+1
On Jun 16, 2020, at 10:23 PM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Jon Elson wrote:
>> Yes, several other groups I read and contribute to have moved to
>> groups.io, and they are working quite well and reliably. Some options
>> require $10 a month to be free from ads.
>
> That's a red flag.
B
Although I am using a larger drive, I would prefer that we not have any
messages that wouldn't be possible to fit on an 8" SSSD disk.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ben via cctalk wrote:
Does that include the TAG LINE?
I am happy just to have ASCII text, and trimmed messages.
Does this mailing list have
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 19:04, ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
> I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
Several of my colleagues at a Prominent German Linux Distributor use
Mutt/Neomutt. I don't, I am on Thunderbird and rather like it.
--
Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.m
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 02:15, Tomasz Rola via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I would say that was cool.
Me too! :-)
> I guess so, too. Connecting Amiga to plasma was probably the least
> hassle of all alternatives. PC would need something special (either
> card or converter?), and a hard drive, and a big box
On 6/17/2020 2:35 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Although I am using a larger drive, I would prefer that we not have any
messages that wouldn't be possible to fit on an 8" SSSD disk.
Does that include the TAG LINE?
I am happy just to have ASCII text, and trimmed messages.
Does this mailing
> > > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> > > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
> > Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
> mutt!
`less`, out of system spool.
De
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 09:39:41PM +0200, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 07:24:40PM +, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and
...
>
> Besides, once the html or any other non-pure text format takes over,
> everybo
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:41:39PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
> > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> >
> > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
>
> Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
mutt!
> --
>
> > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
>
> Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
--
personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap
On 6/17/2020 11:53 AM, Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote:
On 6/17/20 10:44 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
If we remove the restriction on attachments, can we at least set a size
limit? I dislike multi-MB attachments.
Or do as some other lists do and simply scrub the attachment and
subs
They take up a lot of space.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Well, there is some circa 2005 thinking.
2005 was only 15 years ago.
Some of us have pre-Y2K thinking.
Have we finally gotten rid of discussion of a "ten year rule"/"twenty
year rule"?
Is there ANYTHING c
I wonder what you don't like about "groups.io" Its pretty much a pure
mailing list?
The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction on
attachments.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
They take up a lot of space.
FREE mail lists on groups.io have a size limit.
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
>
> 28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
> printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
> quite choice assortment of late-'70s
On 6/17/20 12:25 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
>
> 28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
> printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
> quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I th
> They take up a lot of space.
Well, there is some circa 2005 thinking.
--
Will
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> Sent: 17 June 2020 13:55
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Future of cctalk/cctech
>
> > I wonder what you don't like about "groups.io" Its pretty much a pure
> mailing list?
>
> Like all of the webby time
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 21:59, Bill Degnan wrote:
>
> Liam,
> I rescued a Linotype and gave it to Bob Roswell for his museum in Hunt
> Valley, MD USA...should you ever be in the Washington/Baltimore area.
> Syssrc.com is the URL and the museum is housed within their consulting and
> training fa
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 21:29, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> Q: Is that link adequate to unambiguously identify any specific location
> within any sub-atomic particle in the universe? (such as far more
> detail than is required for the PHYSICAL LOCATION of the start of the file??)
It's simple. All we hav
Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and
graphics it is a brand new world ! I love old hardware to
look at but if communicating I like the ability to see graphical
things... and I think tell majority of people like images of
things.. Ed#
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, T
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:26 PM Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
>
> 28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
> printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
> quite choice assortm
> The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction on
> attachments.
> Well, two things.. Getting rid of the cctalk/cctech split as well.
Amen on that. The first one in particular. As simple as that and you’ve gotten
yourself a very functional yet efficient system.
Marc
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 07:24:40PM +, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
>
> Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and
> graphics it is a brand new world ! I love old hardware to
> look at but if communicating I like the ability to see graphical
> things... and I think tel
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 07:28:22PM +0200, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
[...]
>
> I concur. And I also would like to mention a simple, easily navigable
> web interface to list archives, which works well in text based
> browser. Just like the current one. Having such interface is a huge
> plus for
Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and graphics it is a
brand new world ! I love old hardware to look at but if communicating I
like the ability to see graphical things... and I think tell majority of
people like images of things.. Ed#
On Wednesday, June 1
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - G
If we remove the restriction on attachments, can we at least set a size
limit? I dislike multi-MB attachments.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote:
Or do as some other lists do and simply scrub the attachment and
substitute a URL to where the attachment can be found. Othe
These 2 have my vote as well
I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
/me raises hand! Alpine
It's super fast to delete things. I run it under screen on a host I have
co-lo'ed at a tier 1 datacenter. 25 years now?
- Ethan
--
: Ethan O'Toole
On 6/17/20 10:44 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> If we remove the restriction on attachments, can we at least set a size
> limit? I dislike multi-MB attachments.
Or do as some other lists do and simply scrub the attachment and
substitute a URL to where the attachment can be found. Otherw
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ED SHARPE @ AOHell.com via cctalk wrote:
These 2 have my vote as well
I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction on attachments.
Well, two things.. Getting rid of the cctalk/cctech split a
The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction on
attachments.
Well, two things.. Getting rid of the cctalk/cctech split as well.
If we remove the restriction on attachments, can we at least set a size
limit? I dislike multi-MB attachments.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 02:45:42PM +0100, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
> > cctalk
> > Sent: 17 June 2020 13:55
> > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> > Subject: Re: Future of cctalk/cctech
> >
> >
> >
> > > I wonder what you d
> Ah, good ol' 5965s.
>
> These were a higher-spec version of ... some really common tube which I
> no longer remember. The Bendix G-15 was wholly based on them.
5965 is a computer rated 12AV7 with better balanced cutoff
characteristics, but generally worse for noise.
About 15 percent of the tub
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:14:11PM +, Mark Linimon via cctech wrote:
> These were a higher-spec version of ... some really common tube which I
> no longer remember.
And which was mentioned in the original post -- oops!
mcl
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 07:58:14AM -0700, Guy N. via cctech wrote:
> the part number (5965 or 5963)
Ah, good ol' 5965s.
These were a higher-spec version of ... some really common tube which I
no longer remember. The Bendix G-15 was wholly based on them. I probably
have one or two around the hou
These 2 have my vote as well
I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
> The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction on
> attachments.
>
> Well, two things.. Getting rid of the cctalk/cctech split as well.
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 Rob Jarratt via cc
These 2 have my vote as well
I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
> The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction on
> attachments.
>
> Well, two things.. Getting rid of the cctalk/cctech split as well.
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 Rob Jarratt via cc
On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 6/17/20 7:46 AM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
>> I'm most puzzled by the eager hosting volunteers who'd volunteer even before
>> they have a full understanding of the job.
>
> The list is also something that has existed and will li
They are indeed GEs! 188 is the clue.
--
Will
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:14 AM Guy N. via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2020-06-16 at 11:04 -0400, William Donzelli wrote:
> > > Good question. They have an IBM logo and "Made in USA", along with the
> > > part number (5965 or 5963) and a bunch of num
On 6/17/20 7:46 AM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
I'm most puzzled by the eager hosting volunteers who'd volunteer even before
they have a full understanding of the job.
The list is also something that has existed and will likely exist for decades,
which is another reason not to trust an entit
On 2020-06-17 10:46, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
>
> I'm most puzzled by the eager hosting volunteers who'd volunteer even before
> they have a full understanding of the job. Wouldn't you want to know
> how much time it might take you to administer the list, how much
> bandwidth it eats, storag
On Tue, 2020-06-16 at 11:04 -0400, William Donzelli wrote:
> > Good question. They have an IBM logo and "Made in USA", along with the
> > part number (5965 or 5963) and a bunch of numbers that might give a hint
> > as to manufacturer. Any suggestions on how to decode them?
>
> What are the numbe
I'm most puzzled by the eager hosting volunteers who'd volunteer even before
they have a full understanding of the job. Wouldn't you want to know
how much time it might take you to administer the list, how much
bandwidth it eats, storage, format of the archives, etc.?
- John
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:40:34AM +0200, Lawrence Wilkinson wrote:
> I think you might be subscribed to both cctalk and cctech.
I have never subscribed to the cctech list myself, yet I receive mail
via both lists. I have requested a password reminder mail on the cctech
member options page an
On 06/17/2020 03:50 AM, Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote:
There is also groups.io, and it has some very nice features compared to
Please please, no groups of any kinds. They're all horrible to use. A
genuine mailing list like this is infinitively easier to keep track of
and read at leisure. Can't st
It was also clear at the time for Intel that the Japanese 4116s had 10 times
better ppm failure rates then the US made parts and they were cheaper. If it
wasn't for EPROMs, Intel might have folded then and 8080s were just taking off.
I suspect if Motorola had gotten their act together, it might
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> Sent: 17 June 2020 13:55
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Future of cctalk/cctech
>
>
>
> > I wonder what you don't like about "groups.io" Its pretty much a pure
> > mailing
> list?
>
> Like all of the
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 9:11 AM Al Kossow via cctalk
wrote:
>
>
> > I wonder what you don't like about "groups.io" Its pretty much a pure
> mailing list?
>
> Like all of the webby time-wasters, they don't have easy to mirror zipped
> archives, because
> they want to to spend time hovering around
I wonder what you don't like about "groups.io" Its pretty much a pure mailing
list?
Like all of the webby time-wasters, they don't have easy to mirror zipped
archives, because
they want to to spend time hovering around clicking on their sites.
http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/
On 6/17/20 2:30 AM, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 2020-06-17 10:29:08 +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk
wrote:
On Wed, 2020-06-10 21:06:40 +0200, Mattis Lind via cctalk
wrote:
Is there anyone that has already built a tool to dump TU58-tapes on a Linux
machine? I have the dri
Folks,
I think I now have too many 3174 controllers. I have
1 x Rack Mount - Token Ring Card + MFM Disk Emulator
1 x Large Tabletop - Token Card
1 x Large Tabletop - Ethernet Card <=> I am keeping this.
1 x Small Tabletop - Token Ring card but won't run TCPIP code.
If anyone want
Groups IO is nice as it allows image files too.A picture is worth a
thousand words! Ed# In a message dated 6/17/2020 2:58:30 AM US Mountain
Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Tor Arntsen via
> cctalk
> Sent: 17 June 20
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Tor Arntsen via
> cctalk
> Sent: 17 June 2020 09:50
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: Future of cctalk/cctech
>
> > > > There is also groups.io, and it has some very nice features
> > > > compared to
>
On Wed, 2020-06-17 10:29:08 +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk
wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-06-10 21:06:40 +0200, Mattis Lind via cctalk
> wrote:
> > Is there anyone that has already built a tool to dump TU58-tapes on a Linux
> > machine? I have the drive of course.
>
> I had a look at the TU58 docu
> > > There is also groups.io, and it has some very nice features compared to
Please please, no groups of any kinds. They're all horrible to use. A
genuine mailing list like this is infinitively easier to keep track of
and read at leisure. Can't stand groups.io. Despise google groups
(always overl
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Jon Elson via
> cctalk
> Sent: 17 June 2020 01:57
> To: Zane Healy ; gene...@ezwind.net;
> discuss...@ezwind.net:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: Future of cctalk/cctech
>
> On 06/16/2020 05:45 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 2020-06-10 21:06:40 +0200, Mattis Lind via cctalk
wrote:
> Is there anyone that has already built a tool to dump TU58-tapes on a Linux
> machine? I have the drive of course.
I had a look at the TU58 documentation, it doesn't seem too hard to
wire it up as a BUSE or NBD block device, thou
On Jun 16, 2020, at 23:27, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, Doug Jackson wrote:
>> We could consider moving to Google groups hosting.
>
> No... no no no no no. Never.
> Either become a (real) NNTP group or stay as a mailman list.
Oh good, here comes the discussion of w
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