[cctalk] Re: NRAO Data tapes

2023-05-17 Thread mokuba--- via cctalk
For some handy clarification - some of the tapes I saw seemed to be operating system tapes for the MAX 32 computer. Labeled things like "MAX 32 O/S & SUPPORT PART 2 OF 2" and "MAX 32 GLS -C COMPILER" 1600 BPI, 9 track. Also has MODCOMP copyrights, leading to this line of machines: https://en

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 17/05/2023 04:56, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: EXACTLY! I was told that was the best solution for this sort of thing. Are there any downsides to doing it that way? If I do go that route, what are the options? I have no knowledge of them and thus no preference for one over another As I said a

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 5:29 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > >> Similarly, he could buy a cheap external USB 3.5" drive. Write content to > >> that drive on the modern machine, and read those floppies on the older > >> machines. The readily avaailable one have firmware that only supports > >

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 5:54 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 5/16/23 21:29, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > >> From what I've heard, there has been substantial progress on the flux > > transition devices, with decoding the track to sectors, and even support > > of some file systems! > > >

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 05:29, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Have they stopped making ones that include 720K? I have 2 USB floppy drives and have successfully read 720 kB disks with them, and also MacOS 1.4 MB disks. I think they should also write 720 kB disks. What they won't handle are DD f

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
That is because Amiga uses GCR recording rather then FM or MFM. On 5/17/2023 11:53 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 05:29, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Have they stopped making ones that include 720K? I have 2 USB floppy drives and have successfully read 720 kB disks w

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Robert Feldman via cctalk
>Message: 21 >Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 04:56:05 +0100 >From: Tony Duell >Subject: [cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer >Club (GCCC) >As for the target machine having a serial port, one of the machines I >want to get stuff onto is an Osborne 1A. The serial port on

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
What they won't handle are DD formats that don't use the standardPC disk controller: Amiga disk, DD Mac disks, etc. The few external USB drives that I have tried can't even handle most of the stuff that a standard PCdisk controller can. Their firmware is locked in to a few specific formats, w

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
As for the target machine having a serial port, one of the machines I want to get stuff onto is an Osborne 1A. The serial port on that is horrible. On Wed, 17 May 2023, Robert Feldman via cctalk wrote: For CP/M computers such as the Osborne, you can read and write their diskettes on an MS-DOS c

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/17/23 12:22, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > If you know of an external USB drive that does have the cpabilities of a > standard PC disk controller, please tell us what you can of make, model, > supplier, availability, etc. Interestingly, the Micro Solutions Backpack floppy drives do have all

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
If you have access to a Gimix SS-50 6809 or 6800 system, Gimix used the WD1791 in their double density disk controller.  That controller can do single and double density 5 1/2" and 8" disks (250KHz, 500KHz & 1MHz data rates). On 5/17/2023 2:38 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: As for the targe

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 17 May 2023, Mike Katz wrote: If you have access to a Gimix SS-50 6809 or 6800 system, Gimix used the WD1791 in their double density disk controller.  That controller can do single and double density 5 1/2" and 8" disks (250KHz, 500KHz & 1MHz data rates). Some NEC 765 controllers, inc

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I have to agree with the folk on here who recommend some kind of flux reader/writer like the greaseweazle. It handles any format, handles most any data rate and has more ram/rom and cpu horsepower than an old PC.  And is the size of a deck of cards.  I have mine stored inside a dual 8" drive c

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
Please forgive my typo, you are correct it was 5 1/4 inch not 5 1/2 inch. The read track function works somewhat on the WD1791 if it is able to sync up.  Sometimes you need to read a track several times to get it to read correctly.  It also starts reading at the first address mark it finds and

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 12:02:05PM -0500, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > That is because Amiga uses GCR recording rather then FM or MFM. Nope. You may have gotten confused with the Commodore 64 drives, which were very Special, or perhaps early Apple gear. The Amiga's disk controller supports both

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
That is because Amiga uses GCR recording rather then FM or MFM. On Thu, 18 May 2023, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: Nope. You may have gotten confused with the Commodore 64 drives, which were very Special, or perhaps early Apple gear. The Amiga's disk controller supports both GCR and MFM, bu

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 8:38 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > The earliest Osbornes were single density with ten 256 byte sectors per > track. I was able to write some code on TRS80 model 1 to read those. > Many PC FDCs, including the IBM 5150/5160, can not do FM/single-density. > > Then Osborne

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 8:49 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > As much as Tony doesn't like it, I need to point out that a modern MCU > quite often has as much (or more) RAM, and runs faster than many older > PCs. Consider, for example, the lowly STM32H7A3 series. 1.4MB of RAM, > 2MB of program

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:28 PM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > > I have to agree with the folk on here who recommend some kind of flux > reader/writer like the greaseweazle. OK, that's what I thought. Now what are the options. Greaseweazle or ? What are the advantages and disadvantates of eac

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
The earliest Osbornes were single density with ten 256 byte sectors per track. I was able to write some code on TRS80 model 1 to read those. Many PC FDCs, including the IBM 5150/5160, can not do FM/single-density. Then Osborne came out with a "double density upgrade". The MFM/Double-density Osbo