[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Martin Bishop via cctalk
The D-25 PTR / PTP parallel interfaces are TTL, the ones I have had on the bench at any rate, typically using 74 series for interfacing and 5V rails. Generally, the data lines are on pins 1 to 8 after that it gets a bit YMMV and at the top end you get ground and exported voltage. Hence my

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/16/24 15:15, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote: Micha That the board is TTL and 2 layer by the look of it makes reverse engineering rather more tractable : good luck. The 25p D pin outs for readers/punches seem substantially standardised, I believe the standard is RS-323 (all search

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Martin Bishop via cctalk
Micha That the board is TTL and 2 layer by the look of it makes reverse engineering rather more tractable : good luck. The 25p D pin outs for readers/punches seem substantially standardised, I think you will find that the Dostek 440 manual (which is a solid state substitute for PTP / PTR)

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
It would have been quite a bit of good luck, but I thought maybe b On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 2:53 PM Michael Fritsch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Thank you Bill, but the board in the link is completely different. > The board in my reader is almost identical to the one in this

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Michael Fritsch via cctalk
Thank you Bill, but the board in the link is completely different. The board in my reader is almost identical to the one in this auction (version D vs. A): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333131813919 Only TTL-Logic, no processor, no UART, paralleöl data output. Micha Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 16, 2024, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Jordan wrote: > > Regarding NOS/VE and the notion that its command language was horribly > awkward ... the command language was strongly influenced by Multics and some > thinking in the Computer Science world about user-friendliness in command >

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-16 Thread Kevin Jordan via cctalk
Regarding NOS/VE and the notion that its command language was horribly awkward ... the command language was strongly influenced by Multics and some thinking in the Computer Science world about user-friendliness in command languages being linked to predictability. Commands in NOS/VE's SCL (System

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 16, 2024, at 11:22 AM, Martin Bishop via cctalk > wrote: > > It looks as though Decitek remain in business > http://www.decitek.com/index.html > > Scan of a series 700 reader manual on bitsavers > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/decitek/ > > On an optical reader, I would not recon

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have something close-ish http://www.memex.ca/wp-content/uploads/old/M110545-Dostek-440A-BTR-User-Guide.pdf Bill On Thu, May 16, 2024, 10:33 AM Michael Fritsch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I have a Decitek 442A9 papertape reader which needs repair. > > I have already replaced

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Michael Fritsch via cctalk
I know the document on bitsavers, but the series 700 is a complete different one. In this reader there is no clamp or breake or similar things, but a stepper motor which drives two sprocket wheels. Between the wheels is the optical sensor. In the moment I'm about to reverse engineer the

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Martin Bishop via cctalk
It looks as though Decitek remain in business http://www.decitek.com/index.html Scan of a series 700 reader manual on bitsavers http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/decitek/ On an optical reader, I would not recon the capstan running at power on as unusual - a pinch roller which engages for drive and

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Michael Thompson via cctalk
Decitek is still in business, so try decitek.com > On May 16, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Michael Fritsch via cctalk > wrote: > > I have a Decitek 442A9 papertape reader which needs repair. > > I have already replaced the belt, but that is not enough. The reader behaves > very strangely. It starts

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 16, 2024, at 11:08 AM, Gary Grebus via cctalk > wrote: > > We were a beta test site for NOS/VE and the hardware (Cyber 180?). CDC sent > the machine and a software support engineer to help us do something with it. > My one recollection was that the command language was horribly

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-16 Thread Gary Grebus via cctalk
We were a beta test site for NOS/VE and the hardware (Cyber 180?). CDC sent the machine and a software support engineer to help us do something with it. My one recollection was that the command language was horribly awkward, but I didn't spend much time on the system. I know there are some

[cctalk] Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Michael Fritsch via cctalk
I have a Decitek 442A9 papertape reader which needs repair. I have already replaced the belt, but that is not enough. The reader behaves very strangely. It starts running as soon as I apply power. And there is another problem: when I load a tape, it rattles irregular during reading. This is

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-16 Thread Mark GREEN via cctalk
It was a loop hole in the strong typing of Pascal, not the operating system itself.  You could set up a record structure that mirrored the communications area and then map this to location zero.  This was important for Pascal since it had no library mechanism, it was essentially a compile and

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-16 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
I assume you refer to the "case ... of" construct in PASCAL record types which allowed you to arbitrarily "cast" - to use a C term - variables to any type you wanted and could be (ab)used to assign integers to pointers. The ability to call PP programs via RA+1 calls was not a loop hole, but a

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-16 Thread Mark GREEN via cctalk
I worked on the run time support for the early versions of Pascal on the CDC 6000 series.  Depending upon the character set determining the end of line was a major pain.  There was a loop hole in the Pascal type system that allowed you to call any PPU program directly from Pascal.  It was not