[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Tue, 28 May 2024, CAREY SCHUG wrote: Unless at least 5% (see quibbling below) of new purchases were by private individuals, not required for their gainful employment, they are "single user computers", not "personal computers". "Personal" is how they are used, not how they could be used. I

[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Tue, 28 May 2024, Sellam Abraham wrote: if a computer is being purchased by a non-human, i.e. corporation, to be used to benefit the corporation, it is NOT a personal computer. So then, that excludes the IBM PC / XT etc... At that time they were mostly bought by corporations. Christian

[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread Dave Dunfield via cctalk
Always good to spark an "interesting discussion" "Personal computer" - Generic enough that it can have multiple interpretations: While technically somebody could have put a Cray1 in his (big :-) basement and used it for his own enjoyment (ie: a "personal" computer) ... I don't think I have ever s

[cctalk] Re: Bit numbering

2024-05-29 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/28/24 22:27, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk wrote: > However, it's not entirely clear cut. In many situations data inside > words are arranged "left to right" and in this case the PDP numbering > sometimes is more convenient than the opposite. The CDC STAR/CYBER machines were bit-addressed. When

[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
something can be BOTH a "personal computer" *AND* "industrial computer" (or whatever term you want to use) I use cooking oil to start my charcoal grill, that does not make it NOT be food. I use vinegar and baking soda (separately) to kill weeds, that does not stop them from being food. Old (

[cctalk] Re: STUPID THREAD NEEDS TO DIE Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, May 29, 2024, 6:49 AM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: > something can be BOTH a "personal computer" *AND* "industrial computer" > (or whatever term you want to use) > So now you've incorporated "industrial" into the mix in order to extend this stupid debate out even beyond the ridiculous p

[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/28/24 13:34, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: On 05/28/2024 1:05 PM CDT Sellam Abraham wrote: What if a corporation in 1970 purchased an IBM 360 for each of their employees for their individual personal use? Now what? Sellam 1. I don't believe ANYBODY could purchase a 360. You ha

[cctalk] PRIVATE: Re: STUPID THREAD NEEDS TO DIE Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I apologize for my active participation in the offensive thread. Yeah, I just couldn't get past his insistence that method of purchase was more important than use. Yes, CHATGPT could probably give a definitive answer to "When did Steve Jobs invent the personal computer?" -- Grumpy Ol' Fred

[cctalk] Re: PRIVATE: Re: STUPID THREAD NEEDS TO DIE Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
SORRY! That was not intended to go to the list. On Wed, 29 May 2024, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I apologize for my active participation in the offensive thread.

[cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer

2024-05-29 Thread John Herron via cctalk
Only because I thought it would be funny to hear ChatGPT's wrong answer. Here is ChatGPT's answer on the first personal computer. ME> What was the first personal computer? ChatGPT> The first personal computer is a bit of a debated topic, but one of the earliest and most influential examples is the