On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 23:23, ben via cctalk wrote:
>
> As froghorn leghorn once said. "That was a Joke son" ...
Foghorn. Because of his loud voice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foghorn_Leghorn
A foghorn is a big loud, well, horn...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foghorn
And a Leghorn is a
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 18:15, Seth Morabito via cctalk
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> Oops! Clearly a boneheaded mistake on my part. Time to fix that ancient post
> of mine...
Ancient? It was on HN yesterday!
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20137134
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 22:57, Tomasz Rola via cctalk
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> I share the sentiment and I guess I could give similar description
> (yours was very interesting, BTW).
Thank you!
> If I had a privilege to own
> Psion. But, when I went on for shopping, Psion was already bowing out
> of the PDA
Found on Hackernews but by our very own Seth Morabito...
«
This is what makes a PDP-11/35 or PDP-11/40 tick. It turns out to be
441 ICs. Impressive!
»
https://loomcom.com/blog/0044_what_makes_a_pdp_11_35_tick.html
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 15:51, Peter Corlett via cctalk
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> Adding pockets ruins the look, or something.
Yup.
They're going beyond the realm of their own previous products into
such severe minimalism it's becoming inconvenient.
I want an LED to tell me my charge/power status, message
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 15:45, Peter Corlett via cctalk
wrote:
>
> So long as said companies don't just make yet another Android device based on
> a
> cheap-and-nasty Mediatek SOC which requires proprietary Android-only drivers
> to
> work well, and then make misleading claims about Linux
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 13:49, Stefan Skoglund wrote:
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> I also hate my samsung a5 mobile - the stupid thing
> doesnt have something which the two ericsson mobiles i used before (and
> a nokia and i believe a samsung to) had.
>
> Namely a small led which was on all the time. A great thing when
>
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 13:45, Stefan Skoglund wrote:
>
> The economist wrote about this (
> https://www.economist.com/briefing/2019/06/08/how-the-pursuit-of-leisure-drives-internet-use
> )
>
> The current situation is this:
> it is much more important for Apple and Samsung to sell overpriced
>
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 19:58, Sophie Haskins via cctalk
wrote:
> A while back I uploaded a few minutes of the "ElectroPaint" screensaver
> captured from an Indy w/ a framegrabber. If that's your thing, it's here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl3mF-wKWgg
Reminds me of William Latham's
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 19:55, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
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> I used my Palm(s) completely stand-alone.
> I did not "synchronize" them with PC, other than a token backup to confirm
> process. And I never used it as a peripheral to the PC.
> I did transfer a few files back and forth between Palm
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 19:30, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
> Most of the Palm users I knew, myself included, used their Palm largely
> stand alone. Almost all of us backed up (synced) our device to our
> computers as a backup in case of device corruption. Some of us did use
> Palm Desktop as
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 18:47, Ethan Dicks wrote:
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> Interesting view of Palm usage that I hadn't considered.
>
> > I didn't use Outlook or a desktop PC PIM at all.
>
> Nor did I. When I carried a Palm Pilot every day, I was using UNIX
> 'mail' for work e-mail and did all local edits of my
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 20:06, Fred Cisin via cctalk
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> I don't think that my Fossil (Palm-OS WATCH) does IRDA.
> I should find somebody who will pay me money for such a piece of
> crap^H^H^H^H NEAT technology.
Good question. I was slightly tempted when they were being sold off
cheap at
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 18:40, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
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> Why? Handheld touchtone generators were very common in the
> the early 90's. Even the late 80's. I bought mine in Radio
> Shack. They were often needed if your employer used an in
> house private phone network (like MMDS where
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 18:27, John Labovitz via cctalk
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> I do recall a little handheld device with a touchtone keyboard that you could
> fit over the microphone of a normal handset. It wasn’t automated, but at
> least you didn’t have to use the rotary dial.
This was a built-in feature
https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/bunk5m/pdp1134a_available_for_free_in_the_coachella/
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This just came up on Fess Bouc. I did not know that it existed.
It's an LLVM-backed modern compiler for BLISS.
https://madisongh.github.io/blissc/
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On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 05:17, Mark Linimon via cctalk
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> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 09:52:19AM -0600, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote:
> > I think Google and their YAWNs
>
> Definition, please? Wikipedia and Urban Dictionary are no help. A Google
> search itself is nothing but false
On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 23:10, Adrian Stoness via cctalk
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> anyone figured out what these were being used for in that building?
Puma, the sportswear company, I think. Related to Adidas -- I believe
the companies were run by 2 brothers who fell out.
Puma was founded in Nuremberg. You can
On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 17:14, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
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> Unlike a network GamerGate, it provides storage with similar performance
> to the non-gamer model but hella-cool styling and looks. Glowing LEDs, if
> you are lucky.
Confirmed. Worked example:
On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 20:02, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
>
> The OP wanted a way to get a computer on the network, preferably
> wireless, or wired.
No, not really. The OP was trying to get wifi working on Win98. That's
not the same thing.
You jumped to a conclusion.
Then, you declared,
On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 04:54, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
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> Maybe it's a regional term. I've heard other people use it in multiple
> states here in the U.S.A.
Hi, welcome to ClassicCmp. This is an international list with members
in dozens of countries and dozens of native languages.
You
On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 00:39, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
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> So you turned your laptop into a gaming adapter.
31 years in the tech industry, some 5-6 years as a hobbyist before
that, working in 4 countries in international teams in multiple
sectors from retail to the enterprise.
I have
On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 12:02, John Many Jars via cctalk
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> I just run PUTR under DosBox on a modern PC. A pain but... easier.
Can that read/write physical media?
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On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 17:04, Charles via cctalk wrote:
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> John Wilson confirmed that his program was designed to work with one floppy
> and an HDD. He says strange things happen if one tries to use two floppy
> drives instead... just as I found ;)
Aha, OK. That's odd but if that's a
On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 05:04, Charles via cctalk wrote:
>
> So I made an MS-DOS boot disk and run PUTR directly on MS-DOS (instead of
> the WinXP DOS window). Unfortunately MS-DOS 6.22 can't recognize my hard
> drive since it's NTFS-formatted, so it all has to be done in floppies.
Options:
*
On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 10:41, Aaron Jackson via cctalk
wrote:
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> Very nice photos although I am confused by some. Some of them appear to
> be moving but a lot of stuff stays still. What is happening??
Please bottom-post on the list.
It looks to me like an Apple "live photo".
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On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 05:08, Charles via cctalk wrote:
> Thanks... unfortunately I'm running 64-bit Windows and just discovered PUTR
> will only run on a 32-bit (or even older) machine.
32-bit code _should_ run on 64-bit Win7/8.x/10. 16-bit code won't.
Win7 has "XP Mode", which is a free
DEC archival docs tell the story of the genesis of the PDP-1:
https://gordonbell.azurewebsites.net/digital/timeline/pdp-1story.htm
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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 19:01, ben via cctalk wrote:
> I have been trying to read the Dr Dobbs PDF scans and a few other PDF's.
> They seem to work only with the NAME BRAND pdf reader. Of course I use
> the OTHER brand.
Since you don't name names, I can't directly comment. We don't know
what OS
On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 22:57, Rick Bensene via cctalk
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> So, that's my "trip report".
Great reading. Thanks for that!
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 20:50, Curt Vendel via cctalk
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> I have many DEC files that I’ve recovered from old VMS backups to a PC.
>
> Many are Word-11, ALL-IN-1 WPS and VMS Mail MAI files.
>
> They don’t open well in programs like the Windows Text editors
>
> Is there a program on Windows
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 23:13, nospam212-cctalk--- via cctalk
wrote:
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> 1) Macintosh SE/30 - Appears to have some expansion card of some sort inside
> with with a 15 pin connector and what I think was a BNC connector?
So, an Ethernet card?
I am willing to pay for the card and international
On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 12:24, Jonathan Katz wrote:
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> Some google shows BCL=Business Computers Limited (potentially)
Foolishly I didn't read the comments first.
It's one of these:
http://www.ps8computing.co.uk/bcl.html
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I don't recognise this, but I'm no expert.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113665872765
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 18:08, Eric Korpela via cctalk
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> Don't forget hard sector CompuColor II, GCR, and variable speed GCR. :)
Well, yes, OK, but one step at a time.
Step 1: a generic USB floppy controller that allows 5¼" and 8" (and
other standard Shugart-interface) FDDs to be
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 17:16, geneb via cctalk wrote:
> Based on what I've read, the only possible way the GDPR could apply to a
> US company (with no EU physical presence) is if you're selling or
> marketing directly to EU citizens.
This could be but it's quite a widespread problem.
E.g.
If
That was meant to say...
Or:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 22:00, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
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> Yes.
> I was thinking in terms of slightly older drives than that, particularly
> 5.25"
> Getting at the slider on newer drives wouldn't be practical.
Probably not. I suspect that ITRO 90+ % of the people I work with have
never seen
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 22:16, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
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> One of the moxt common causes of a terrible ear-piercing high whine is the
> spindle contact. Many old drives had a springy piece that rubbed against
> the end of the spindle. Over time, it would wear a divot, polish that,
> and
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 22:53, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Of all machines I've used, the beloved Atari 8-bit is most vocal. It
> has the feature of 'i/o noise' by default. It can be disabled with a
> Poke, but every kind of io has distinctive sounds and actually
> represents the
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 01:43, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
wrote:
> Days turned into weeks, weeks into months and months into
> years. It continued to occasionally make the same ghastly noises that
> never should be heard coming from a hard disk but with absolutely no sign
> of any errors being
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 20:31, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
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> In these discouraging times, that brings hope for the next generation.
>
> They will learn programming skills,
On that note, this non-retro little computer really pleases me.
https://basicengine.org/
It's a modern version of a
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 19:27, Paul Berger via cctalk
wrote:
> Knowledge Center refers to it as IBM i, but it is not the name of a
> system it is just the name of another OS that runs on IBM Power systems
> and can even be vitalized on a system with other OSes.
IBM moved the AS/400 onto POWER
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 16:46, Dave Wade via cctalk
wrote:
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> The "simplest" is to create a logon event that's does "shutdown /t nn
> /s" where "n" is the number of seconds of play time.
No, honestly, there are much easier ways.
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 08:17, Randy Dawson via cctalk
wrote:
> My idea was initially do this in hardware, with a timer, and a solid state
> relay to gate the AC to the PC.
Sounds like a good way for a regularly-trashed boot disk filesystem to me, TBH.
> Has anybody seen this, before I
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 14:59, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> Speaking of sounds made by machines, there is a famous security paper from a
> few years ago in which researchers read the encryption keys out of
> smartphones by listening to the sounds made by the device while it was
> execution the crypto
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 04:34, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
wrote:
>
> The install would start and then bomb at a certain point every time. I
> decided to work the machine hard and then pull the board and give a
> good SNIFF.
Got a nose for a hardware fault, eh? ;-)
And some of my younger
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 22:37, John Klos via cctalk
wrote:
>
> > /* You are not expected to understand this. */
> >
> > https://www.ioccc.org/2018/mills/hint.html
>
> Unsurprisingly, the original 1984 submission still compiles and runs as
> expected on a VAX running NetBSD 8 with gcc 5.5.0 :)
>
>
https://tantobieinternettattler.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-amstrad-nc100-portable-perfection.html
I have one of these myself -- my piece about it (and some its kin) is
here... https://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2011/11/10/portable_writing_tool/
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 12:20, Bill Degnan wrote:
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> Wow, thorough.
Isn't it? :-o
> I attempted to port the same version of unix to an rl02 disk pack and to run
> on an actual 11/40. I was able to get ir to boot up to the # prompt but my
> system does not have a working EIS card to proceed any
On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 03:56, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
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> I've heard quit a bit about that scam, but I haven't gotten that one.
Ditto on both.
> The really sad part is that I'm not doing anything that I could be
> blackmailed about.
> THAT is depressing.
Oh dear. Now I am feeling slightly
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 22:11, Fred Cisin via cctalk
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> > On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 02:39, Ali via cctalk wrote:
> >> I wonder if there were ever any TWAIN drivers for Win 3.x.
>
> Yes, but I think that you needed WIN32S installed.
Ah, could be.
> But few pay any attention to any
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 04:51, Eric Christopherson via cctalk
wrote:
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> OK, so it's down *to* the bunker or down *in* the bunker. I'm just asking
> because of my language geekery. I still don't know, though, whether "down
> the bunker" without a preposition is idiomatic in some dialect of English
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 02:59, Zane Healy via cctalk
wrote:
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> Websites are a huge inconvenience or imposition, email lists are not.
Agreed.
However, for a lot of younger people and those to whom "email" just
means "MS Outlook", it's hard work. They do not understand
complexities such as
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 02:39, Ali via cctalk wrote:
> I wonder if there were ever any TWAIN drivers for Win 3.x.
This is stretching my powers of recollection -- and in my world, back
then, if you could afford (and wanted) a scanner, you used a Mac --
but I think so, yes.
We are all aware
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 18:52, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2018 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> > 80186?
>
> I really thought it was 8x86 where the x was 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4.
:-o
No no, never.
But there was the i860 and i960 as well, remember. And the
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 18:23, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2018 09:05 AM, xcvb via cctalk wrote:
> > Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i cannot resist -
> > somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I
> > believe that has an 8 bit isa bus
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 13:35, Bill Degnan wrote:
>
> 486 / early pentium computers have their own support challenges, both
> hardware and software. The skills differ from the XT era PC clones and such.
Yup.
> This is definitely a vintage era of it's own, I call the GUI era to
> differentiate
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 12:51, Peter Corlett via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Realistically, computers made before around 2010 *are* antiques: something
> where the main value is due to its age rather than its utility.
Mostly, yup.
When my laptop gave me some problems, start of 2017, I fired up my old
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 22:42, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
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> I think PS/2s range from 286 - (very few) Pentium. I don't /think/
> there were any 8086 / 8088 PS/2s, but I could be mistaken.
As "system_glitch" said, there were.
The original model 30 was an 8086, and not even a great one --
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 22:08, Zane Healy via cctalk
wrote:
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> Cindy, I’m curious, is there really a market for 8086/88, 286, and 386
> computers? What are folks using them for?
Judging from the FB "Vintage" Computer Club, yes, a small one.
For millennial-age geeks, pre-32-bit computers are
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 21:57, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
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> Definitions tend to be RIGID, but completely arbitrary.
> "MEGAPIXEL" is nice, but enough to EXCLUDE 1024 x 800 ?
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so.
> "First": The author is unaware of anything prior, or all prior instances
>
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 19:55, Josh Dersch wrote:
>
> The Sun-1 absolutely had a framebuffer and a display and was not a text-only
> machine, it did 1024x800 at 1bpp, had a mouse, the whole deal.
>
> See the picture in this article, for example:
>
It's a bit late, isn't it?
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 19:30, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 15:13, allison via cctech wrote:
> During my days at DEC in the later 80s the definition of workstation was
> 1MIPS processing power,
> 1M pixels, Desktop or desk side (fairly compact). Graphics and
> processing power were high
> and lots of ram and sufficient local disk
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 12:44, Tony Duell wrote:
>
> I don't think anyone is questioning that it's a workstation, and that it was
> made by Sun.
>
> I think the problem is over 'first' and that a Sun-2 is not going to be the
> 'first' model.
Ah! Excellent point. I have to admit, I was totally
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 23:12, Chris Hanson wrote:
>
> It’s a Sun-2 so it’s not really arguable whether it’s the first ever Sun
> workstation: It’s not.
Not my claim; the author of the video's. Take it up with him, if
you're on the Rescue List.
But I am mildly curious what your definition of a
I thought folk might enjoy this short-ish (~12min) Youtube video
showing startup of arguably the first ever Sun workstation, from a
contemporaneous SunOS... I did.
Permission obtained before x-posting, naturally.
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 at 02:00, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> Be assured there were enough IBM PC clones running DOS around from 1989
> onwards for this stuff to matter,
OK, fair enough. Thanks for the info!
> and hardly anyone switched to MS Windows
> before version 95 (running Windows 3.0 with
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 at 15:02, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
wrote:
> I don't know if the unreal mode has been retained in the x86 architecture
> to this day; as I noted above it was not officially supported. But then
> some originally undocumented x86 features, such as the second byte of AAD
>
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 20:47, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I don't think that HTML can reproduce fixed page layout like PostScript
> and PDF can. It can make a close approximation. But I don't think HTML
> can get there. Nor do I think it should.
There are a wider panoply of options to
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 08:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> He also created the Canon Cat.
>
> His idea of a user interface included that the program should KNOW
> (assume) what the user wanted to do.
One of my heroes.
I've never used a Cat or his other software UIs, but the demos I've
seen
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 15:21, Guy Dunphy via cctalk
wrote:
> Defects in the ASCII code table. This was a great improvement at the time,
> but fails to implement several utterly essential concepts. The lack of these
> concepts in the character coding scheme underlying virtually all information
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 23:39, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 03:44, Liam Proven via cctalk
> wrote:
> > If it's in Roman, Cyrillic, or Greek, they're alphabets, so it's a letter.
> >
> Correct, Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic are alphabets, so eac
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 12:17, ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
>
> seems only the very old mail programs do not adapt to all character sets?
Maybe so, Ed, but it's basic good manners to both (a) not make your
emails unnecessarily difficult for others to read, and (b) respect the
etiquette of the
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 01:00, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
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> If they are not seen as separate letters, then do their meaning's
> change? Or is the different accent more for pronunciation?
No, mainly, it changes alphabetical order and it makes asking questions tricky.
I see š as an
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 23:42, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
> I bet you see all sorts of things that I'm ignorant of.
It's been enlightening!
Some I was ready for.
E.g. In French or Spanish, both of which I can speak to some extent,
letters like á or ó are not seen as separate letters:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 18:54, Tomasz Rola via cctalk
wrote:
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> Turn off trashing mails with Unicode in Subject and see if this solves
> a problem?
*Loud laughter in the office*
Well _played_, sir!
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:49, Donald via cctalk wrote:
>
> Don't think it is IBM. Apparently high temp ICs due to the heat sink
> housing. No idea what it is.
>
> http://www.myimagecollection/part
No idea, because that's not a valid URL -- it has no TLD -- and you
can't send attachments to the
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:55, Guy Dunphy via cctalk
wrote:
> Also I have it configured to
> dust-bin any incomimg mail containing UTF-8 chars in the Subject header.
> Avoids a lot of time-wasting.
That's English-language cultural snobbery. I'm a native Anglophone but
I live in a non-English
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 02:57, Michael Brutman via cctalk
wrote:
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> Emulators do great things, but they can't replace the visceral
> experience of touching real old working hardware. Take the example
> the sound of a modem making a 1200 bps connection, or the grinding
> noise of a floppy drive
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 17:12, Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> Well, how DID they make panels?
Letraset? :-)
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 18:18, Electronics Plus via cctalk
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> In my experience, games written for CGA and 80286 do not do well on modern
> equipment.
This is why DOSBox exists.
https://www.dosbox.com/
It's a DOS PC emulator for modern PCs, mainly for playing old games.
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Liam Proven
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 14:56, emanuel stiebler via cctalk
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> the i860 found at least a little niche on graphics boards, so somehow
> not a complete failure ;-)
And of course it was the N-Ten CPU on the Microsoft Dazzle
motherboard. The main product developed on that mobo was codenamed
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 18:59, Diane Bruce via cctalk
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> I am tossing a pile of old PC keyboards but found one SUN type C keyboard.
> It's missing a few keys :-( but might interest anyone needing spare parts.
Get 'em on eBay. Don't underestimate the zeal of keyboard collectors.
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 05:33, Tomasz Rola wrote:
I found this post incoherent and very hard to follow. I will therefore
limit myself to commenting to the responses direct to me.
OK, apart from:
> Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki:
>
>
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:35, Rick Bensene wrote:
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> Earlier, I wrote:
> >> The whole desktop metaphor UI existed long before Windows 95 in non-Unix
> >> implementations by Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research >>Center) with the
> >> pioneering Xerox Alto, introduced in 1973, which implemented
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 00:31, Jim Manley via cctalk
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> It's the sort of stuff marked
> with "COMPANY PROPRIETARY" watermarks that, if you try to scan or run it
> through a photocopier, produces black output due to opto-molecular chemical
> overlays.
Oh dear. Let me guess -- do you also
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:12, Jim Manley via cctalk
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> Wrong. Apple has been using self-customized, optimized-for their-hardware
> supersets of the VNC protocol (which is X based)
Not true.
VNC isn't X-based.
And Apple supports it, sure, but as an accessory thing. VNC also works
fine
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:09, John Ames wrote:
> There's also the Afterstep/Window Maker crowd, open-source
> reimplementations of the NEXTSTEP desktop environment, which predates
> even Windows 3.x.
That sort of echoes my point, really, I think.
As I said, it's ludicrous to counter my claim
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:01, Alan Perry via cctalk
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> Excuse me, but I work for Oracle on Solaris (primarily on USB code) and
> it is not EOL. Oracle just released Solaris 11.4 and the next release is
> being worked on.
Oh! Well, I'm very glad to hear it.
But the news has not spread --
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:48, Fred Cisin via cctalk
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> "The simplistic style is partly explained by the fact that its editors,
> having to meet a publishing deadline, copied the information off the back
> of a packet of breakfast cereal, hastily embroidering it with a few foot
> notes in
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk
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> On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> > This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms.
>
> Fair.
>
> > "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:12, ben wrote:
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> On 10/23/2018 4:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 21:19, ben via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> Try and find a printed page size PDF
> >> reader, or one a tad smaller. Reading a PDF on a KINDLE DOES NOT WORK.
> >
> > I suggest you look at
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 18:59, Paul Berger via cctalk
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> This is my issue with a lot of Linux distros they seem to try to hard to
> look and work like mac or like windows while I would rather have them
> look and work like the xwindows I knew and loved. One of my biggest
> aggravations is
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 17:58, Jon Elson wrote:
> ARRGhhh! I HATE Unity! I have switched all my Ubuntu
> systems to gnome-classic, which suits me fine.
> (You have to hack the theme xml file to make the borders
> wide enough to grab and stretch.)
> I lasted about 4 hours with Unity. I am a
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 17:49, Grant Taylor via cctalk
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> On 10/23/2018 04:41 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> > It's pointless to compare environments from _before_ Win95 as a way of
> > saying that Win95 didn't influence them!
>
> Your statement that I replied to is:
>
> *Every* Unix desktop
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 13:11, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote:
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> I’ll throw in my two cents to say that I’ve used a fair number of GUIs over
> the years both commercially available and FOSS, and I’d say that Windows 95’s
> UI blew the doors off of anything I’d used up that point in terms of
>
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