One might ask what is really worth preserving for millenia? None of my
"treasures" qualify I think.
Tom
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023, 9:05 am Paul Koning via cctalk,
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> > On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:34 PM, P Gebhardt via cctalk <
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> > Am Dienstag, 17. Januar 202
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:34 PM, P Gebhardt via cctalk
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> Am Dienstag, 17. Januar 2023 um 15:54:54 MEZ hat Paul Koning via cctalk
> Folgendes geschrieben:
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>> I have an RM03 pack somewhere. There probably are a few places left that
>> could read it. If it were an RA60
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 11:49 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Old stuff being preserved is often a matter of chance or luck rather than
> planning. Consider the Linear B clay tablets; those were preserved because
> they were accidentally baked, in the fires that were s
Most grafitti is illegible to me. Still looks groovy. Who cares lol. On
Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 01:44:00 PM EST, Wayne S via cctalk
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Yeah, but can you read them?
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> On Jan 17, 2023, at 10:32, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
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> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023
Am Dienstag, 17. Januar 2023 um 15:54:54 MEZ hat Paul Koning via cctalk
Folgendes geschrieben:
>With hard drives you have to worry about mechanical faults, of course. I
>wonder if there are any long term storage issues with the bearings.
To my understanding, during the late 90s, the bear
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
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> The ones that HAVE survived have kept worthwhile data integrity, granted.
>
> There we go. Just find a big mountain and start etching hex code. Or
> texhtonic plates? They're pretty big. But those damned earthquakes. On
> Tuesda
The ones that HAVE survived have kept worthwhile data integrity, granted.
There we go. Just find a big mountain and start etching hex code. Or texhtonic
plates? They're pretty big. But those damned earthquakes. On Tuesday,
January 17, 2023, 01:32:32 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
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> On Jan 17, 2023, at 1:32 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
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> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 8:57 AM Chris via cctalk
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>> The bottom line is you have to dispense with the fantasy that any media
>> will reliably keep data for really any length of time.
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> I don't know, man.
Yeah, but can you read them?
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> On Jan 17, 2023, at 10:32, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
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> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 8:57 AM Chris via cctalk
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>> The bottom line is you have to dispense with the fantasy that any media
>> will reliably keep data for really a
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 8:57 AM Chris via cctalk
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> The bottom line is you have to dispense with the fantasy that any media
> will reliably keep data for really any length of time.
I don't know, man. Those stone walls with carvings in them have carried
data forward so far for centuries,
A take (mine) on the backup/archiving problem is that any medium that is used
for this purpose will eventually be rendered obsolete and possibly unusable
without going to extreme measures. My solution is to use whatever (economical)
hard disk device has the most capacity and store stuff there al
The bottom line is you have to dispense with the fantasy that any media will
reliably keep data for really any length of time. You must habe resundancy. You
could go the optical route, but even witj redundancy I don't recommend it. If
it's a small amount of data, maybe it's not such a bad idea,
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 11:26 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
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> Why wouldbyou need a whole server? Several 2.5" usb hard drives is all you
> meed.
But then you're dealing with stored media, and their shelf life. USB hard
drives may be ok so long as USB interfaces are available; if they are USB
At 08:54 AM 1/17/2023, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> To pick one example, I have an 1990s era Dell laptop that no longer passes
> POST (it gives a "beep code" failure that I haven't been able to cure). I
> would like to get whatever is on its hard disk, but that has a proprietary
> interface
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 10:58 AM, Kenneth Gober via cctalk
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> There is another significant advantage to focusing on a backup strategy as
> opposed to an archival strategy -- I don't need to worry about tapes I made
> today being readable decades in the future (i.e. I don't need
Why wouldbyou need a whole server? Several 2.5" usb hard drives is all you
meed.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 10:59:08 AM EST, Kenneth Gober via cctalk
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 9:48 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
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> > What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 9:48 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
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> > What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not susceptible
> to magnetism or EMP. I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material
> than DVDs and don’t scratch as easily.
>
> I have had magnetic, AND optical media that
On 1/17/2023 7:54 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Jan 16, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
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What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not susceptible
to magnetism or EMP. I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material than
DVDs and don’t scratch as eas
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk
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>> On Jan 16, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
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>> I am interested in whatever media are more likely to still be readable in a
>> few decades.
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>> M-Disc claims 100 year life, but, obviously, no M-Disc h
> On Jan 16, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
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>> What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not susceptible
> to magnetism or EMP. I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material than
> DVDs and don’t scratch as easily.
>
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, Chris via cct
> On Jan 16, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
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> I am interested in whatever media are more likely to still be readable in a
> few decades.
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> M-Disc claims 100 year life, but, obviously, no M-Disc has lasted that long,
> and they are making promises based on what they THINK
You have to make the best of what you have to work with needless to say. Are
you making arguments im favor of long term optical storage? It doesn't seem so,
but if you were, you lost me.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 05:32:33 AM EST, Peter Corlett via cctalk
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On Tue, Jan 17,
Newsprint from 1800s if stored properly is still white. No sense in getting
all expensive.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 07:59:12 AM EST, Diane Bruce via cctalk
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 06:48:11PM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> > What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Arc
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 06:48:11PM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> > What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not susceptible
> to magnetism or EMP. I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material than
> DVDs and don’t scratch as easily.
>
...
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> I am interested in whatev
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 05:42:55AM +, Chris via cctalk wrote:
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> The only answer that anyone can provide is redundancy. Keep 2 or 3 copies
> of everything on seperate external drives. Every 3 to 5 years buy new
> drives and transfer the data to them. Or just run checkdisk twice a year
> an
The only answer that anyone can provide is redundancy. Keep 2 or 3 copies of
everything on seperate external drives. Every 3 to 5 years buy new drives and
transfer the data to them. Or just run checkdisk twice a year and wait for 1
drive to start popping errors. Replace it. Wait for other to fa
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