On 4/25/2016 7:21 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
>Paul Koning wrote:
On Apr 24, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Jerome H. Fine
wrote:
Kyle Owen wrote:
On a related note, a former DEC field engineer gave me this key (and
keychain). He thought it was a PDP-8 key at first, but it's not the
standard XX2247. It
>Paul Koning wrote:
On Apr 24, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Kyle Owen wrote:
On a related note, a former DEC field engineer gave me this key (and
keychain). He thought it was a PDP-8 key at first, but it's not the
standard XX2247. It says KBM1100...any ideas what this
> You were able to deduce that from the "GRB 2"? Is that authoritative?
> If so, I'd like to add it to the 11/05-10 page on the Computer
> History Wiki.
Yes, I looked up "GRB 2" in the Chicago codebook. The Chicago
designation for the blank is K5K.
De
> From: Dennis Boone
>> it says "Chicago Lock Co" and "GRB 2"
> Aha.
> Cut 215 on Ilco S1041T.
You were able to deduce that from the "GRB 2"? Is that authoritative? If so,
I'd like to add it to the 11/05-10 page on the Computer History Wiki.
Also, I have an original XX2065 (Data
> I have an original (which was used to make a ton of replicas for
> people a while back); it says "Chicago Lock Co" and "GRB 2". No idea
> what the latter means. The copies were made with Hillman Y11 and FR4
> blanks (both work, but one has to be trimmed a bit, length-wise).
Aha.
Cut 215 on
> From: Dennis Boone
> Haven't managed to id the 11/05 key yet.
I have an original (which was used to make a ton of replicas for people a
while back); it says "Chicago Lock Co" and "GRB 2". No idea what the latter
means. The copies were made with Hillman Y11 and FR4 blanks (both work, but
> On Apr 24, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
>
> >Kyle Owen wrote:
>
>> On a related note, a former DEC field engineer gave me this key (and
>> keychain). He thought it was a PDP-8 key at first, but it's not the
>> standard XX2247. It says KBM1100...any ideas what this might go to?
>>
> All the H967's I've seen had non-ace keys for the back doors. Most
> (if not all, can't remember) of my H960's use non-ace keys for the
> back doors.
I believe the common back door key is a National C415A. Cut 12343 b-t
on an Ilco 1069N blank. These are also used in electrical panels, so
a
Tony wrote...
As far as I know DEC never used a key lock on their cabinet doors.
You might well need an allen key to remove the back of the rack cabinet, for
example.
All the H967's I've seen had non-ace keys for the back doors.
Most (if not all, can't remember) of my H960's use non-ace
> Just for curiosity, which Key codes were used for the PDP-11
> systems? I used to have some PDP-11 racks for RL02 drives
> with a Qbus PDP-11/23 inside and I thought I remembered that
> XX2247 was used on them, but I would just like to know for sure.
> Actually, the more I think about it, just
>Kyle Owen wrote:
On a related note, a former DEC field engineer gave me this key (and
keychain). He thought it was a PDP-8 key at first, but it's not the
standard XX2247. It says KBM1100...any ideas what this might go to?
http://imgur.com/a/4v8Hq
I have followed this thread, but have not bee
> On a related note, a former DEC field engineer gave me this key (and
> keychain). He thought it was a PDP-8 key at first, but it's not the
> standard XX2247. It says KBM1100...any ideas what this might go to?
VAXen were used in GE EDACS repeater controllers, so perhaps one of
those systems?
On a related note, a former DEC field engineer gave me this key (and
keychain). He thought it was a PDP-8 key at first, but it's not the
standard XX2247. It says KBM1100...any ideas what this might go to?
http://imgur.com/a/4v8Hq
Thanks,
Kyle
> What do you think of the Klom imitation of it?
Initial impressions of the Klom K-747 tubular key cutter
The Klom K-747 cutter is designed to cut Chicago ACE type tubular
keys, and the Fort equivalents. It is available in at least four
key barrel sizes, 7.0mm, 7.3mm, 7.5mm and 7.8mm. The "com
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Koning"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts"
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Keys - Non-Ace was RE: ACE Key codes (xx2247 etc.)
> On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
>
> I finally fo
> It's a little costly for the amount of need that we have. What do
> you think of the Klom imitation of it?
I've got one of the Klom imitations coming. Report to follow...
If it helps anyone, I can produce Chicago double-sided keys from code.
This sort of thing:
http://www.repeater-builder.
Also reference how you counted them, clockwise or counter clockwise.
There may be a standard, in a recent exercise with Jay West (who knows
more on this than I do) the locksmith we went to to have some of Jay's
measured keys made was used to people not recalling when they had the
codes that Fr
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Mike Stein wrote:
I finally found my micrometer; is there a cross-reference of pin # vs.
depth or just a list of standard depths for ACE keys somewhere?
Yes. Called a "depth and space reference" (different for manufacturer,
and sometimes blank)
5 years ago, we had a simi
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
Look here, http://www.hpcworld.com/mobile/km/pocketcutup/index.html, click
"See the manual", it's at the bottom of the first page.
Looks like a neat little machine. I don't have one (or any knowledge of
these devic
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
Look here, http://www.hpcworld.com/mobile/km/pocketcutup/index.html, click "See the
manual", it's at the bottom of the first page.
Looks like a neat little machine. I don't have one (or any knowledge of
these devices), but if I needed keys like that I'd
> On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
>
> I finally found my micrometer; is there a cross-reference of pin # vs. depth
> or just a list of standard depths for ACE keys somewhere?
Look here, http://www.hpcworld.com/mobile/km/pocketcutup/index.html, click "See
the manual", it's at th
I finally found my micrometer; is there a cross-reference of pin # vs. depth or
just a list of standard depths for ACE keys somewhere?
m
FYI - the key codes I measured previously for Data General and HP have been
cut, tested, and verified. Amazingly, my measurements were correct. So to
summarize:
XX2247
Code: 5173757
Use: DEC PDP-8 (all varieties), PDP-11 machines that do not use an ACE blank
(11/24, 11/44)
XX2065
Code: 1353757
Us
On Sat, 5 Mar 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:
always use even number depths on some cuts and odd numbers on others. Such
rules are necessary in designing a new key, but irrelevant for making a
duplicate or replacement)
CORRECTION: NOT irrelevant. If you have a cut that seems to be between a
3 and a
On Sat, 5 Mar 2016, Jay West wrote:
We're doing something a little more expansive than that.
Fred did a great job of providing detailed fields which the web developer has
looked at. If anyone has additional fields, let me know.
Well, as a hierarchical or relational database, the primary inform
We're doing something a little more expansive than that.
Fred did a great job of providing detailed fields which the web developer has
looked at. If anyone has additional fields, let me know.
J
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?39482-Virtual-DEC-KEY-REPOSITORY/page6
On 3/5/16, Chris Halarewich wrote:
> On 3/5/16, Chris Halarewich wrote:
>> http://marc.info/?t=104968979800010&r=1&w=2
>>
>> On 3/5/16, Dennis Boone wrote:
>>> A couple more for the keys file:
>>>
>>>
On 3/5/16, Chris Halarewich wrote:
> http://marc.info/?t=104968979800010&r=1&w=2
>
> On 3/5/16, Dennis Boone wrote:
>> A couple more for the keys file:
>>
>> Allegedly Control Data used a National C415A on Network Processing
>> Unit cabinets in the late 70s, early 80s. That's an Ilco 1069-N, cut
http://marc.info/?t=104968979800010&r=1&w=2
On 3/5/16, Dennis Boone wrote:
> A couple more for the keys file:
>
> Allegedly Control Data used a National C415A on Network Processing
> Unit cabinets in the late 70s, early 80s. That's an Ilco 1069-N, cuts
> are 12343 from bow to tip. Cut spacings
A couple more for the keys file:
Allegedly Control Data used a National C415A on Network Processing
Unit cabinets in the late 70s, early 80s. That's an Ilco 1069-N, cuts
are 12343 from bow to tip. Cut spacings are .156 .249 .342 .435 .528.
Depths are 1=.250 2=.225 3=.200 4=.175.
TI apparently u
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Mark J. Blair
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 8:55 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: ACE Key codes (xx2247 etc.)
On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:28, Jay West wrote:
For every Data General Nova (800, 1200, 1220, 2
> On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:28, Jay West wrote:
>
> For every Data General Nova (800, 1200, 1220, 2) & Eclipse (S/130, S/200)
> that I have, those keys are all stamped XX2065. The coding appears to be
> 1353757 (7-1, center offset)
The key on my Nova 3 is also stamped XX2065.
--
Mark J. Blair,
> On Feb 25, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Jay West wrote:
>
> But I did find there is apparently a service http://key.me where you take a
> picture of your key with their app, and they mail you a copy (or if there is
> a kiosk of theirs in your area, you can do it real time there).
Ooh! I can't wait to ge
Some municipalities have restrictions on it, ranging from no restrictions to
outright ban, or requiring the locksmith to keep on file the identity of who
requested a key, and/or "proof" of ownership of the lock (physically
bringing it in, letter on company letterhead, etc.)
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016,
Fred wrote...
-
Some municipalities have restrictions on it, ranging from no restrictions to
outright ban, or requiring the locksmith to keep on file the identity of who
requested a key, and/or "proof" of ownership of the lock (physically
bringing it in, letter on company letterhead, etc.)
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016, Jay West wrote:
Old thread - I know that there was lots of talk about the DEC PDP XX2247
key. I don't think I've ever seen/heard any discussion of memorializing
others (non-dec) and we should :)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:22:32 -0400
From: Ethan Dicks
Subject: Re:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016, Jay West wrote:
They must have some "internal representation" of a key such that a key (any
key, any size, including car keys that are those "grooves") can be stored
"digitally" and downloaded. I wonder if similar art exists such that we
could store "whatever is necessary" to
Mike wrote...
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0.375", 7 positions. If I can find my micrometer I'll measure them; wasn't
there an old thread about Ace key codes?
-
Great info Mike, thanks!
Micrometer measurement is step 1. Step 2 is verification, meaning give the
resulting code to a locksmith and have them make a key f
- Original Message -
From: "Jay West"
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: ACE Key codes (xx2247 etc.)
> Mike wrote...
> --
> Cromemco: XX4306
> --
>
E Key codes (xx2247 etc.)
On 25/02/2016 23:42, Jay West wrote:
> Mike wrote...
> --
> Cromemco: XX4306
> --
> Thanks for chiming in Mike, could use all the datapoints we can get. Can you
> elucidate which models of cromemco XX4306 works on?
I can only increase the sam
I'll put the list of ACE keys (and codes, as we get them) on a website on
the classiccmp server for posterity.
Actually, this whole thing came up in my brain due to tracking down keys for
a Pr1me machine (non-ace).
But I did find there is apparently a service http://key.me where you take a
pictu
On 25/02/2016 23:42, Jay West wrote:
Mike wrote...
--
Cromemco: XX4306
--
Thanks for chiming in Mike, could use all the datapoints we can get. Can you
elucidate which models of cromemco XX4306 works on?
I can only increase the sample size by one for the moment, but my System
Three does
Mike wrote...
--
Cromemco: XX4306
--
Thanks for chiming in Mike, could use all the datapoints we can get. Can you
elucidate which models of cromemco XX4306 works on? I'm not familiar with
those machines other than I know there was a 2 and a 3... something about Z
comes to mind... And on a s
- Original Message -
From: "Jay West"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:28 PM
Subject: ACE Key codes (xx2247 etc.)
> The decoding of the DEC PDP XX2247 keys has been discussed, but I have not
> yet seen decoding for others.
...
> Are there other common sy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Jay West
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 9:28 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: ACE Key codes (xx2247 etc.)
To add to that knowledge, I'm checking other keys I have. Note - I'm sure of
the XX values of course but the codes have not b
On Feb 25, 2016 12:28 PM, "Jay West" wrote:
>
> While I'm testing/confirming the codes for XX2065 and XX2946, can anyone
> with stamped DG Nova/Eclipse keys or stamped HP2100 keys confirm if their
XX
> numbers are all the same? I've got enough of each that I'm fairly sure
those
> keys fit all of t
The decoding of the DEC PDP XX2247 keys has been discussed, but I have not
yet seen decoding for others.
To repeat the data for XX2247, that is 5173757 assuming 7-1 with a center
offset
To add to that knowledge, I'm checking other keys I have. Note - I'm sure of
the XX values of course but
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